[nflug] Apache/Tomcat Question

Brad Bartram brad.bartram at gmail.com
Tue Jun 27 11:36:09 EDT 2006 

I would say that there should be no reason you couldn't do what you want to
natively within Tomcat.  You shouldn't need more than a modicum of java, if
any at all to do it.  Tomcat should have some native handling of
authentication to it's services, which you can use in conjunction with your
applications.

The big thing to remember is that although you have Apache and Tomcat linked
using mod_jk, Tomcat is a standalone server, with it's own auth mechanisms
and capabilities.  Mod_jk simply allows the java content to be passed off to
tomcat automagically through apache instead of having to directly address
the server over port 8080 or whereever you set it up at.

You probably know that, but just in case, I figured, I would expound as I
know plenty of java developers that have very little clue about the workings
of the app server and vice-versa.

In short, it should be able to be done, and I would say to leverage Tomcat
to do what you need to do.

brad

On 6/27/06, joshj at linuxmail.org <joshj at linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> It got a little out of hand but that was just some friendly banter. Merely
> commenting on how sometimes someone here will ask a question and someone
> else will recommend that they change their distro or platform. I actually
> completely agree with Brad. Enterprise (or "Enterprisey") is nothing but
> bullshit. Its all about a good language for the job at hand and a good
> design. And I try, God knows I try, but I hate Java for webprogramming.
>
> So anyway, is it possible to verify someone's session and then dish out
> the file (using Apache/Tomcat)? And I don't care what kind of file it is.
> Anything from txt to xml to pdf or jpg. I just don't want to use Java to
> 'stream' the file (even though that is the common answer I've seen) since
> that is essentially duplicating code for something that Tomcat and Apache
> can already do.
>
> And my deepest apologies to any "Java lovers" (if there is such a thing)
> and "Enterprisey believers". I know not what I do.
>
> xo
> -Josh
>
> When we last left our adventurers...
>
> > Since this is all started and I'm feeling feisty this morning, I'll add
> my
> > $.02 to the debate.
> >
> > I've supported and contributed to application devlopment using various
> > languages and platforms.  I can say with all confidence that language
> has
> > only a small part to play with stability or
> enterprise-worthy-ness.  It's
> > about the coders and the project spec.
> >
> > Java is nice; it runs everywhere; and is OO by nature.  Perl is Perl -
> it
> > does what it does and makes coffee with the right CPAN
> modules.  However, in
> > both of these cases, don't consider marketing propaganda, corporate
> dollars,
> > and press for reality.
> >
> > I've seen Java fail to accomplish the project's goals just as quickly as
> if
> > it was spec'd for Perl.  On the flip side, I've seen PHP create an app
> for a
> > quarter of the money and less than an 8th of the time of a comparable
> java
> > solution.  Of course, I've also seen some awsome things being developed
> > using Java.
> >
> > My complaint with Java is the complexity involved in setting up an
> efficient
> > environment.  Tomcat is not a simple app to setup and run - especially
> if
> > you are linking it to dynamically serve regular html or some form of
> > webscript pages like php.
> >
> > Perl is also a beast.  The fact that it has a loosely defined form
> without
> > any real rigidity in its syntax makes for some very very very ugly code.
> > And don't get me started on CPAN.
> >
> > In all, there is no perfect language out there now.  A good programmer
> does
> > the best job he / she can with the best tool for the job.  They don't
> simply
> > do it because they can or because the marketing says its good and
> > "enterprise ready".  But that rule should hold for all things IT.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/27/06, Pete Cummings <pete at linuxcowboy.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Websphere !!!!! That's great if you want to "port" your freakin job to
> >>  India!  enterprise software =Asian concentration camps!!! Stick with
> Open
> >>  Source and live free (or die).
> >>
> >>
> >>  David J. Andruczyk wrote:
> >>
> >>    Use an enterprise application. i.e. don't ask your local LUG, ask
> the
> >>  enterprise vendors..
> >>
> >>  The first one that pops into my head is IBM's websphere. (only because
> >>  of the 40+ servers I support most run it with oracle for all their web
> >>  stuff) and this is a large worldwide  "enterprise" level site. Aside
> >>  from that I don't know much about websphere. (I support the boxes, not
> >>  the customer apps)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  --- joshj at linuxmail.org wrote:
> >>
> >>     Sing now while you can. Sure perl makes that little stuff easier.
> But
> >>  when
> >>  you're writing enterprise applications you can't use a toy like that.
> >>  And
> >>  you want to talk about Scalable? I'd love to see you scale your hippy
> >>
> >>  programs across multiple servers!
> >>
> >>  Love
> >>     -Josh
> >>
> >>       Well i'm sure you're java solution will be scalable and
> enterprise
> >>  ready enough to allow you plenty of time to fix your tie while you
> >>  reassess your paradigm for a more proactive approach.
> >>
> >>  On 6/26/06, joshj at linuxmail.org <joshj at linuxmail.org>
> >>  <joshj at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>    Don't give me that "right tool for the job" malarky you freakin
> >>
> >>   Perl
> >>
> >>    hippy. Go back to the commune with all the other Perl, PHP, and
> >>
> >>   Python
> >>
> >>    programmers.
> >>
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