[nflug] Apache/Tomcat Question

[joshj at linuxmail.org]

It got a little out of hand but that was just some friendly banter. Merely 
commenting on how sometimes someone here will ask a question and someone 
else will recommend that they change their distro or platform. I actually 
completely agree with Brad. Enterprise (or "Enterprisey") is nothing but 
bullshit. Its all about a good language for the job at hand and a good 
design. And I try, God knows I try, but I hate Java for webprogramming.

So anyway, is it possible to verify someone's session and then dish out 
the file (using Apache/Tomcat)? And I don't care what kind of file it is. 
Anything from txt to xml to pdf or jpg. I just don't want to use Java to 
'stream' the file (even though that is the common answer I've seen) since 
that is essentially duplicating code for something that Tomcat and Apache 
can already do.

And my deepest apologies to any "Java lovers" (if there is such a thing) 
and "Enterprisey believers". I know not what I do.

xo
-Josh

When we last left our adventurers...

> Since this is all started and I'm feeling feisty this morning, I'll add my
> $.02 to the debate.
>
> I've supported and contributed to application devlopment using various
> languages and platforms.  I can say with all confidence that language has
> only a small part to play with stability or enterprise-worthy-ness.  It's
> about the coders and the project spec.
>
> Java is nice; it runs everywhere; and is OO by nature.  Perl is Perl - it
> does what it does and makes coffee with the right CPAN modules.  However, in
> both of these cases, don't consider marketing propaganda, corporate dollars,
> and press for reality.
>
> I've seen Java fail to accomplish the project's goals just as quickly as if
> it was spec'd for Perl.  On the flip side, I've seen PHP create an app for a
> quarter of the money and less than an 8th of the time of a comparable java
> solution.  Of course, I've also seen some awsome things being developed
> using Java.
>
> My complaint with Java is the complexity involved in setting up an efficient
> environment.  Tomcat is not a simple app to setup and run - especially if
> you are linking it to dynamically serve regular html or some form of
> webscript pages like php.
>
> Perl is also a beast.  The fact that it has a loosely defined form without
> any real rigidity in its syntax makes for some very very very ugly code.
> And don't get me started on CPAN.
>
> In all, there is no perfect language out there now.  A good programmer does
> the best job he / she can with the best tool for the job.  They don't simply
> do it because they can or because the marketing says its good and
> "enterprise ready".  But that rule should hold for all things IT.
>
>
>
> On 6/27/06, Pete Cummings <pete at linuxcowboy.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Websphere !!!!! That's great if you want to "port" your freakin job to
>>  India!  enterprise software =Asian concentration camps!!! Stick with Open
>>  Source and live free (or die).
>> 
>>
>>  David J. Andruczyk wrote:
>>
>>    Use an enterprise application. i.e. don't ask your local LUG, ask the
>>  enterprise vendors..
>>
>>  The first one that pops into my head is IBM's websphere. (only because
>>  of the 40+ servers I support most run it with oracle for all their web
>>  stuff) and this is a large worldwide  "enterprise" level site. Aside
>>  from that I don't know much about websphere. (I support the boxes, not
>>  the customer apps)
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  --- joshj at linuxmail.org wrote:
>>
>>     Sing now while you can. Sure perl makes that little stuff easier. But
>>  when
>>  you're writing enterprise applications you can't use a toy like that.
>>  And
>>  you want to talk about Scalable? I'd love to see you scale your hippy
>>
>>  programs across multiple servers!
>>
>>  Love
>>     -Josh
>>
>>       Well i'm sure you're java solution will be scalable and enterprise
>>  ready enough to allow you plenty of time to fix your tie while you
>>  reassess your paradigm for a more proactive approach.
>>
>>  On 6/26/06, joshj at linuxmail.org <joshj at linuxmail.org>
>>  <joshj at linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>
>>    Don't give me that "right tool for the job" malarky you freakin
>>
>>   Perl
>>
>>    hippy. Go back to the commune with all the other Perl, PHP, and
>>
>>   Python
>>
>>    programmers.
>>
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