IMAP and outlook 5$!&85!!

Fri Sep 13 07:22:56 EDT 2002

Cool, I'll prob load up a test box and play with it.. Thanks!

Robert Meyer said:
> It wasn't hard but you have to get an older version of uw-imap 'cuz
> there doesn't seem to be anyone maintaining the maildir patches and the
> guy at UW doesn't want to handle it in his source tree...
>
> The place that I found it is: http://greboguru.org/qmail/
>
> I've been hacking around with the stuff tonight and I think that I can
> get imap-2001a to build with the patches but I had to change stuff in
> src/osdep/unix/Makefile to point to the right place for the openssl
> includes.  I changed line 33 to read:
> SSLINCLUDE=/usr/include/openssl
>
> That worked on Mandrake 8.1 but will probably have to be changed if it
> lives elsewhere.
>
> I then did a 'make slx' and it compiled.  I'm going to play with it
> tomorrow at work to see what happens.
>
> You will have to get imap2001a from:
> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap/old/imap-2001a.tar.Z
>
> and the patch from:
> http://greboguru.org/qmail/imap-2001a.4-patch-with-delete-fix
>
> Then untar the imap source:
> tar xvfz imap-2001a.tar.Z
>
> Then patch the source:
> patch -p0 < imap-2001a.4-patch-with-delete-fix
>
> Then 'cd' to imap-2001a
> change line 33 as mentioned above to:
> SSLINCLUDE=/usr/include/openssl
>
> Type 'make slx' to build the thing
>
> Copy imapd/imapd to your favorite location for such things.
> Fix your xinetd.conf (or xinetd.d/imap) file for the right
> path for imapd, 'killall -HUP xinetd' and you're in business.
>
> I may have a problem with a user that seems to still generate
> mbox files.  I think it has to do with not having a proper 'Maildir'
> when he started.  There is mention of a kludge on the page to remove the
> 'mbox' driver.  I may just do that.  Of course, the workaround is to
> send email to each user before he tries to copy folders to the IMAP
> server :-).  It seems that if the thing doesn't find a 'Maildir' in the
> user's home directory with the appropriate 'cur', 'new' and 'tmp'
> directories, it tries to do 'mbox' format.  This really annoys outlook
> when you try to copy folders to the IMAP server.  I managed to crash my
> boss' Outlook many times before I left today but I think this is the
> reason.  I will try to remove the 'mbox' driver in the morning.
>
> Sorry for the stream-of-consiousness vomit-stream but I just collected
> my thoughts
> for the morning and I will probably read this message when I log in to
> get started.
>
> I also found a program that purports to convert mbox to maildir format
> at: http://qmail.sgi.net/qmail/mbox2maildir
>
> You'll have to read the file and probably get 'qmail' from
> http://www.qmail.org/
> and read and understand 'maildir2mbox' and experiment a lot before
> trying this in a production environment.
>
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> I'm VERY tired, now.  I'm going to bed.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Bob
>
> --- Justin Bennett <Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com> wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Great! Glad you got it fixed, do you have info on the maildir
>> extention setup, or a URL? I recently converted our Luxembourg office
>> to Imap using squirrelmail, they had all kinds of stuff, outlook,
>> mozilla, netscape. It gets kinda hairy when their PC crashes or the
>> loose messages when it's on the local machine and thier support staff
>> is 4000 miles away. They all had subfolders upon subfolders, this all
>> went away when they went to Imap (UW out of box). It'd be nice if I
>> could give them their subfolders back. Don't know what kind of greif
>> would involved in converting from file based to directory imap though,
>> could be more trouble than it's worth.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Robert Meyer said:
>> > Well, Justin, you win the prize.  It was a combination of xinetd
>> instances being set for 60 and stupid Outlook initiating sometimes
>> as many as 10 or 12 simultaneous connections to the IMAP server.  It
>> turns out that there is mention of this behavior on one of the
>> University of Washington's web pages.  I set the number of instances
>> to 'UNLIMITED' and it looks like it wants to hang out between 80 and
>> 110 sessions alive at any one time.
>> >
>> > I mentioned Cyrus IMAP, when I actually meant Courier IMAP.  I tried
>> that after it became aparent that these folks needed to have folders
>> with sub folders and messages in them.  'mbox' format doesn't
>> support that kind of thing, 'cuz mbox uses one file for all messages
>> and you can't stick a directory in a file.  I tried Courier IMAP but
>> kept getting messages to the effect that outlook couldn't
>> synchronize with new messages.  I checked the courier site for
>> information and he mentioned that outlook had problems and he wasn't
>> inclined to do anything about it.
>> >
>> > Insanity prevails...
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > Bob
>> > --- Justin Bennett <Justin.Bennett at dynabrade.com> wrote:
>> >> Your fireing it out of xinetd I assume. In the /etc/xinetd.conf
>> what is instances set for? You may be running out of imap
>> processes. Just a thought. I had this the default is something like
>> 60, I have 70+ users. See a problem. It took a while to become an
>> issue cuz netscape only has one imap at a time.. :) but at times
>> there was over 60 active, and any new requests to connect would get
>> connection refused.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Robert Meyer said:
>> >> > OK, this is bad.  I have IMAP running (UW-IMAP) with a zillion
>> >> outlook users.  Some of the outlook processes create
>> >> > as many as 10 connections to IMAP and hold them there,
>> >> > never closing them.  What the heck is going on, here?
>> >> >
>> >> > Eventually, they start getting 'imap.domain.com' is offline and
>> can't get their Email.  If I kill all of the 'imapd'
>> >> > processes, they immediately get reconnected.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm running this on RedHat 7.3 with UW-imap 4.5 with
>> >> > the maildir extensions.  Don't mention Cyrus 'cuz
>> >> > Outlook REALLY hates that one and the maintainer
>> >> > claims that it's outlook's problem and he ain't
>> >> > gonna fix it...
>> >> >
>> >> > HELP!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers!
>> >> > Bob
>> >> >
>> >> >
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> Depew, NY 14043
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> Meyer_RM at Yahoo.com
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