Yahoo! News - Eric Raymond: Linux will rule the desktop
Ronald Maggio
r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net
Mon Apr 1 11:24:16 EST 2002
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=gmat at adelphia.net href="mailto:gmat at adelphia.net">Tim Makai</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nflug at nflug.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:08
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Yahoo! News - Eric Raymond:
Linux will rule the desktop</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not so sure about linux not being used for the desktop. </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Do you you really think that it can be see as an
everyday desktop</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>for the (general computing public?)
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<DIV>We know that it is a server type os. We also know that we can
install all types of server daemons and utilities, including an X server.
So what is to stop it? </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Does the general public even understand half of it?
The AOL crowd and the lack interest of the general computing public so
overly</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>enthralled with the Grate God Gates and his heavenly
domain M$ don't really give a dam as long as their kiddies can have the
latest and gratest pc available. Bells, Sounds and lights are
included at extra cost!!! pardon my sarcasm;)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Wal mart joe might have a problem with it today but he wants it. In
the future linux will be nice enough for anyone to use. Without getting
into the whole debate about wal-mart joe becoming an SA or whether he has the
right, I would say that linux is powerful enough to be a desktop OS and
developers build desktop programs for it every day.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Now now. Wal-Mart joe is our future computer users.
His or her option of being an Systems Administrator is just that an
option.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>As to whether he or she has the right well
we have to keep the doors of opportunity open to all even Wal-Mart joe/jane.
Are they not the future computer </STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3>innovators? "I
would say that linux is powerful enough to be a desktop OS and developers
build desktop programs for it every day." </FONT><FONT size=2><STRONG>Well
this Wal-Mart joe thinks that the more larger picture is a nice dream,
but at this time its not the completely here and
now.</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>For instance, when you look at the work
Codeweavers has done with the Office Crossover and Plugin Crossover, desktop
program inter operability is not far in the future, it is today. </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>I think the issue Andrew was getting at was general
enduser interfacing.</FONT></STRONG><BR><BR>I have been using it as a desktop
for about 8 months and find it both a challenge and somewhat limited as well.
But I can do almost everything I need to on it. </DIV>
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<DIV>Challenging, Somewhat linited and Almost everthing....Yes this
is the topic restated again that the general
enduser is now seen something new, and once exposed to it could
have a hard time relating to it because of its complexities.<BR><BR>You
are right though, linux will never rule the OS market as long as it is chasing
M$. As long as we are making applications LIKE M$ products we will
always be in second place. But, that is <BR>another story.<BR><BR>Glad
to be a new part of NFLUG.<BR>Tim<BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Welcome to the group Tim we'er vary happy to see
more new faces join:)</FONT></STRONG></DIV><STRONG><FONT
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<DIV><BR><BR>Ronald Maggio wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="mid:000901c1d8aa$a8d11840$f43afea9 at celeronbox" type="cite"><PRE wrap="">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Andrew Rokitka" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:drew82096 at yahoo.com"><drew82096 at yahoo.com></A><BR>To: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nflug at nflug.org"><nflug at nflug.org></A><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:18 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Yahoo! News - Eric Raymond: Linux will rule the desktop<BR><BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">i agree that MS's products are abhorrently expensive, but make no<BR>mistake about it, linux will not take over the desktop market until my<BR>mother can install an application in two clicks of a mouse button...the<BR>same goes for CEO's...<BR><BR><BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><-------------------------------snip-------------------------------------><BR>True...Linux has its drawbacks its not as easy to use as Windows.<BR>The interface needs a lot more work as the article states, it may now be<BR>more<BR>easy to install than ever but it still is not as user friendly as windows.<BR>You have to understand something. Linux's background is that it was<BR>written for and used by developers for development. A GUI front end for Unix<BR>was the end product and a Unix like operating system is the result. It was<BR>never meant to<BR>be used by the common enduser nor was it to be thought of as a common<BR>desktop.<BR>It has evo
lved into a somewhat easy to install userend desktop as we seam to<BR>think,<BR>but once you use it you'll see that it can't be used as a truely common<BR>desktop like Windows.<BR>As you said its not a two clicks and your software is installed kind of<BR>operating system.<BR>Your totally correct it is not as
easy as it could be! One can install it<BR>and within<BR>a few minutes connect to the internet (only with Mandrake I believe can you<BR>do this?).<BR>Otherwise it is not a vary user friendly operating system. Those with a Unix<BR>background<BR>they say its easy for them...well for them but not for all of us! We who<BR>where brought up in the<BR>DOS/Windows era and never exposed to Unix will not find the merge over<BR>partly or totally easy at all!<BR>For the most part it has one upper hand the preverbal ace in the hole it can<BR>operate on nearly any old<BR>legacy system, and is a more stable more powerful an operating system by far<BR>than anything I have ever used.<BR>>From what I've seen for myself and have read on this list and from other<BR>sources is that if it goes belly up it<BR>is do to enduser error more then system error. I think that with Linux we<BR>are being offered by far a better<BR>choice of an operating system than the blue screen of death.<BR><BR>Membe
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