Verizon Fios (Fiber-to-the-Premises) Internet (Cheap??)
Dave Andruczyk
djandruczyk at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 28 08:47:46 EDT 2004
I get about 3megabits plus almost all the time. (depends on where you go of
course...) Mostly I'm hitting large servers (mirror respositories and such)
Occasionally it'll burst to 4 megabits...
--- "Timothy J. Finucane" <speljamr at speljamr.com> wrote:
> Try http://www.broadbandreports.com/stest
>
> I get between 1.5 mbps and 2.5mbps. I've had it as high as 3 mbps. Your
> speed may vary depending on how many people are using it in your area,
> and sometimes time of day.
>
> DSL can be as fast as the 1.5mbps if you are very close to the
> origination point of the signal. The further you get from that point the
> slower your speed, so experience can very from one household to the
> next.
>
> On the flip side, Adelphia's network (and customer service) can be a
> real pain in the arse when using a DSL/Cable router. At least that is my
> experience anyway. But when it's working it's the best connection I've
> ever had.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 18:32, Advent Systems wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> > Are there different "levels" of service available from Adelphia, and how
> > would we measure the actual performance of the service being delivered
> > to our computers by the different vendors? I tried adelphia for 12-16
> > months using there "standard offer" (about $70/mo.) and the dsl from
> > verzion I have now seems twice as fast. I know saying "twice" as fast
> > is meaningless, it's just that overall when trying to get stuff done it
> > seems with verizon dsl I'm done in half the time.(not to mention
> > $35.00/mo).
> >
> > Bob Randal
> > adventsystems at verizon.net
> > Timothy J. Finucane wrote:
> >
> > >DSL is available to me, and I have tried it from several companies,
> > >including Verizon. Unfortunately it does not even come close to the
> > >3mbps speed I get from Adelphia.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 18:13, Advent Systems wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Timothy J. Finucane wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Good points, but I think the average user's needs are growing at a very
> > >>>fast pace. There is obviously a hug market for delivery of music, and I
> > >>>don't just mean kazza theft. I mean things like iTunes, which has
> > >>>exploded right out of the gate. Unless there are some tremendous
> > >>>developments in compression technology, these downloads are likely to
> > >>>remain fairly large. And music is something that is of interest to the
> > >>>average user. And the streaming video from the parts of the internet we
> > >>>need not mention already pushes the limits of the current bandwidth.
> > >>>
> > >>>Also, I still can't quite classify Verizon's new offering as "Overkill"
> > >>>because the $35 package (the one most people will buy) is only 2-5 mbps.
> > >>>I currently get 3mbps on my Adelphia cable modem. That sounds pretty
> > >>>close to the same service. And the average user of broadband services is
> > >>>on cable, not DSL. Though I'm sure that is only because of the 3 mile
> > >>>technical limit with DSL.
> > >>>
> > >>>In addition, they are starting the roll out in Texas, and expecting more
> > >>>expansion after that. they are predicting 1 million homes tied to fiber
> > >>>by the end of the year. That's a small number compared to the number of
> > >>>homes in the US. By the time they get here, things could have clearly
> > >>>changed that will require larger bandwidth.
> > >>>
> > >>>Tim
> > >>>
> > >>>On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 12:48, Ronald Maggio wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>In response to the following, you are correct about
> > >>>>progress/innovation, but my comment was about the average end user,
> > >>>>student and home/small business. Do we really need it? It is fine for
> > >>>>those that truly have a need of such resources. Now think a minute,
> > >>>>regardless of your computing skills or needs do you really think that
> > >>>>the average end user which is the gross marketed target really needs
> > >>>>all this and more.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Your speaking from where you see it, as your needs as a computer
> > >>>>professional might surpass the current available resources available
> > >>>>to you. The industry will produce progress/innovation to be marketed,
> > >>>>yet does anyone really think it is for the consumers, or is it
> > >>>>for corporate industry. People will always want the latest and the
> > >>>>greatest as long as they have money to burn, and corporations are
> > >>>>ready willing and able to exploit their egos. We all know that the
> > >>>>vast computers sold are targeted for end users to email, web browse,
> > >>>>gaming, and let us not forget the parts on the web that make the most
> > >>>>money! I need not mention.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>So in conclusion, my comment "fast enough & Overkill" are valid points
> > >>>>as long as the technology used as of now by end users can keep up
> > >>>>with the Internet, but as trends make todays technology out of date
> > >>>>the market will always have a guaranty of more revenue through the
> > >>>>pocketbooks of the consumers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Ron Maggio
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Fast Enough" will always be relative to current needs. As
> > >>>> more, and
> > >>>> higher quality, content feeds come online more bandwidth will
> > >>>> be needed.
> > >>>> I can still remember people telling me that 56k was all you
> > >>>> would ever
> > >>>> need. Then came streaming video, and to get a good quality
> > >>>> feed you
> > >>>> really needed to get broadband. "Fast Enough" assumes that
> > >>>> there will
> > >>>> not be any progress/innovation in multimedia formats or
> > >>>> content
> > >>>> distribution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So, for the long term outlook it is hardly overkill. Is it
> > >>>> overkill to
> > >>>> have a 200GB hard drive? Maybe it is today, but in 2-3 more
> > >>>> years it
> > >>>> won't. We, as a society, are putting more data online
> > >>>> everyday, and with
> > >>>> that comes more need for bandwidth and storage.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, Verizon is talking about using the same feed to create
> > >>>> its own
> > >>>> cable network. This just might break the cable monopolies that
> > >>>> currently
> > >>>> exist in! each city. After all, your only choices right now
> > >>>> are satellite
> > >>>> or cable if you want more content than is on public airwaves.
> > >>>> This would
> > >>>> also drive the need for bandwidth.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The downside to this is that they are talking about making
> > >>>> access to the
> > >>>> fiber lines closed, unlike the current phone lines. They argue
> > >>>> that this
> > >>>> is required because the current cable companies have closed
> > >>>> access.
> > >>>> Personally, I would prefer it if BOTH the phone company and
> > >>>> cable
> > >>>> company were required to have open access. This would be
> > >>>> better for the
> > >>>> consumer in terms of competition and innovation. If the
> > >>>> cable/phone
> > >>>> companies have closed access they can then regulate what can
> > >>>> and what
> > >>>> cannot be put on the network, thus killing the end-toend
> > >>>> concept that
> > >>>> the internet was created on. Innovation would then be
> > >>>> regulated by those
> > >>>> companies as well. Anyone remember the time when AT&T
> > >>>> regulated what
> > >>>> could and what could not be attached to their phone lines?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Some o! ther alternatives to access may become available as
> > >>>> well, like
> > >>>> this one:
> > >>>>
> http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2004/07/16/anik040716.html.
> > >>>> Granted, it's a bit more expensive, but that may change as
> > >>>> more
> > >>>> companies put up similar satellites.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The more competition and innovation, the better.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tim
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 01:54, Ronald Maggio wrote:
> > >>>> > Over kill, unless your running a business big time and
> > >>>> really need the
> > >>>> > bandwidth and the speed it gives you, or are into
> > >>>> interactive gaming
> > >>>> > over the Internet in a big way!
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I have ADSL through Verizon at $34.95 a month, and its fast
> > >>>> enough for
> > >>>> > the average user. ie: Student, Home to mid size Business,
> > >>>> and so on.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Ron
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>Tim,
> > >>Just to let you know, I have been waiting for broadband access in my
> > >>area for years (I'm 5 miles from my central office) but a few months ago
> > >>they installed new equipment where I was able to have dsl installed in
> > >>my home. I'm in lancaster and am not sure if It' a town-to-town thing
> > >>but it may be worth calling verizon up to see if it's now available in
> > >>your area.
> > >>
> > >>Bob Randal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >adventsystems at verizon.net
> > >
> > >
> --
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> end up with neither liberty, nor security.” —Benjamin Franklin
>
>
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Dave J. Andruczyk
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