Quick survey

[John Seth]

"why in gods name would you use a rpm on a server using ./configure and
make..."

answer: I dont except that I create my own .spec file with my own
configuration options. Then I use rpm --build to create the custom
installation.  One, it satisfies the rpm dependencies, and makes sure it
removes outdated,preinstalled stuff left over.

Personally, I use slackware... no package managers required, even tho
slackware has the .tgz package tools.

-- 
<? print(pack("c*", 74,117,115,116,32,/* Tony Evans                  */
 65,110,111,116,104,101,114,32,80,72, /* Linux/Web Implementation    */
 80,32,72,97,99,107,101,114,46,10));  /* http://www.phoenixwing.com/ */ ?>


> WTF any server with an GUI is a calling to hackers. Why in gods name
> would you use a rpm on a server when using ./configure and make lets you
> do a custom job on the install to make it how YOU the sysadmin wants it
> not how RH Or Fedora preset it. But this is my opion and I did that
> survey
>
> Later
> Josh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nflug at nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug at nflug.org] On Behalf Of
> John Seth
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 4:03 PM
> To: NFLUG
> Subject: Quick survey
>
>
> Hey all, I've come up against some conflicts where I work for an
> unfortunate living. My chief systems administrator is training a linux
> newbie for a backup systems admin position to himself and myself since
> our Network Admin left the company.  In doing so, he installed Fedore
> Core 1 (Yarrow, latest
> release) and is now showing him how to install a server, and compile
> programs.  No big deal, usually....
>
> My problem is this: normally, servers do not need to be installed with
> their GUI installers, doing so, usually installs X-Windows components
> onto systems with need for them, at least with RedHat. The trainee is a
> newbie, so I'm not too concerned, the fact that they should know both
> ways is best... but my sys admin won't show him text install for the
> reason "Who doesn't install with the GUI on a server these days? What
> does it matter if X is on a server or not?".
>
> I feel 1) it's a waste of disk space, 2) if it is running on a server,
> that's increased memory, cpu & resource hogging and 3) security issues
> could compromise the server but wouldn't if X wasn't installed.
>
> The last thing is, he's showing the trainee how to compile programs. No
> big deal again. It's good to know how to run your own ./configure & make
> statements.  However, being this is RH/Fedora, I feel he should also
> teach him how to use things like "RPM --build" and learn about things
> like the .spec files needed for RPM based systems.  Again, I was met
> with "why? who cares if it's RPM or not? Just overwrite the old RPM with
> the new compiled program...".  Hmm... so having, for example,
> httpd-1.3.28-devel-48.7.rpm installed, and compiling Apache 2.0.48 and
> installing it over the top of the old RPM installation.  I see problems
> with this, maybe not Apache, but other programs.
>
> Being I've now written a novel to the mailing list ;) How about you tell
> me what you do with your systems... do you use the gui install? do you
> install Xwin to a server? why? Since I don't feel like spamming the
> mailing list, feel free to visit my website where I can more easily
> tally the results.
> Mind you, it's a quickly thrown up survey...
>
> http://www.phoenixwing.com/ has the survey.  Thanks for listening to my
> gripes ;)
>
>  - Tony
>
> --
> <? print(pack("c*", 74,117,115,116,32,/* Tony Evans                  */
>  65,110,111,116,104,101,114,32,80,72, /* Linux/Web Implementation    */
>  80,32,72,97,99,107,101,114,46,10));  /* http://www.phoenixwing.com/ */
> ?>
>
>