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From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Mon Jul 2 14:38:13 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: [Fwd: linux-training] Message-ID: <3B40BF95.3EC1C702@phor.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------478EE83527C1FFAA8E64F676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can anyone help this person out? -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------478EE83527C1FFAA8E64F676 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from denali.phor.com (denali.phor.com [216.5.243.200]) by petard.phor.com (Switch-2.0.0/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id f5T1VQZ19621 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from neon.netsync.net (neon.netsync.net [206.231.8.32]) by denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5T1Ti519146 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:29:44 GMT Received: from petiprin (206-159-166-150.netsync.net [206.159.166.150]) by neon.netsync.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5T0UFi11084 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:30:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c10032$9dcb5d80$96a69fce@petiprin> From: "Frank Petiprin" To: Subject: linux-training Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:29:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you know of any inexpensive Linux training in the Western New York = Area? thanks ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do you know of any inexpensive = Linux=20 training in the Western New York Area?

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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0-- --------------478EE83527C1FFAA8E64F676-- From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 2 14:44:17 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: [Fwd: linux-training] In-Reply-To: <3B40BF95.3EC1C702@phor.com> Message-ID: How's This: 1) Linux for Dummies 2) BrainBench.com 3) Horizons (in Getzsville) 4) Attend a nflug meeting 5) linuxdoc.org 6) Lure Bob Meyer with Beer & free Mandrake ISO CD's :) > can anyone help this person out? > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From JMcNamara at erie1.wnyric.org Mon Jul 2 18:54:33 2001 From: JMcNamara at erie1.wnyric.org (JMcNamara@erie1.wnyric.org) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: inexpensive Linux training Message-ID: What is Horizons in Getzville? From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 2 19:48:30 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: inexpensive Linux training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From hubbardr at adelphia.net Tue Jul 3 05:38:55 2001 From: hubbardr at adelphia.net (Richard Hubbard) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: inexpensive Linux training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know if we're that inexpensive, however. All of our classes run about $400/day list. (There are various packages that reduce that cost, but not by orders of magnitude). We are geared more towards the corporate client that needs people trained in a short period of time. Probably a better bet would be ECCC or NCCC. Or the good old fashioned way would be to pick up a couple of computers (real cheap used ones on e-bay are a good bet) a distribution and a decent book. Write down all questions and problems in a book, and then go to NFLUG once a month and ask Bob. Besides, the guy at New Horizons will be doing basically the same thing. Richard Hubbard Training Manager, New Horizons CLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Robert Dege Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:49 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From gjn at certainlywood.com Tue Jul 3 11:00:11 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: Slackware 8.0 is out! Message-ID: <20010703.15001177@gjn.certainlywood.com> It seems NFLUG uses mostly Mandrake, but as Slackware was my first and still preferred distro since an installation in 1994 on a 386/sx w/ 4 Meg of RAM and a 40 MB hd, I feel compelled to be the "Slackware evangelist" for today: ;-) What I like best about Slackware is that it has always installed on any old hardware configuration I can cobble together, and seeing as my own system at home is based on an AMD-486, that's a major concern! Anyway, here's the promo. Best regards, Greg Neumann _____________________________ Announcing Slackware Linux 8.0! The first major release for 2001, Slackware Linux 8.0 continues the Slackware tradition of simplicity, stability, and security. It is the essential Linux distribution from the team that knows Linux inside and out. 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Makes the ultimate Linux rescue disc! - The ZipSlack edition of Slackware Linux 8.0. - The entire source code used to build Slackware Linux 8.0. - Technical support via our online web discussion forum. The price for the Slackware Linux CDROM set is $39.95 plus shipping. Slackware Linux is also available by subscription. When we release a new version of Slackware (which is typically once or twice a year) we ship it to you and bill your credit card $24.95 plus shipping. Shipping is $5 in the USA, Canada, and Mexico for First Class. Overseas is $9 PER ORDER. There is an additional $3 COD charge (USA Only). UPS Blue Label (2nd day) [USA Only] is $10 PER ORDER, UPS Red Label (next day) [USA Only] is $15 PER ORDER. Federal Express (next day) [USA Only] is $20 PER ORDER. Ordering Information: You can order online at the new Slackware Linux store: http://store.slackware.com Email orders and reseller information: info@slackware.com Or, send a check or money order to: Slackware Linux, Inc. 1647 Willow Pass Road, Box 402 Concord, CA 94520 USA Have fun! :^) --- Patrick J. Volkerding Logan Johnson Chris Lumens David Cantrell Visit Slackware on the web at http://www.slackware.com ! From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Tue Jul 3 14:08:57 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: inexpensive Linux training Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FA9@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> How about this - Instead of paying for training are there any Internship or Externship opportunities out there? Hands on training is one of the best teachers. Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 -----Original Message----- From: Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com [mailto:Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:07 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training part b, new horizons is on genesee in cheektowaga.IKON is in Getzville, and I was their linux/uinx instructor. Richard A. Hubbard III MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD, MCT, CLI, CLP,LCI,LCP, A+, Net+,I-net+ Training Manager, New Horizons Buffalo richard.hubbard@nhwny.com phone (716) 681-8500 x2241 (716) 206-2241 Direct fax (716) 206-2222 Robert Dege ffalo.EDU> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training owner-nflug@n flug.org 07/02/01 07:48 PM Please respond to nflug New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com Tue Jul 3 15:06:40 2001 From: Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com (Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: inexpensive Linux training Message-ID: part b, new horizons is on genesee in cheektowaga.IKON is in Getzville, and I was their linux/uinx instructor. Richard A. Hubbard III MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD, MCT, CLI, CLP,LCI,LCP, A+, Net+,I-net+ Training Manager, New Horizons Buffalo richard.hubbard@nhwny.com phone (716) 681-8500 x2241 (716) 206-2241 Direct fax (716) 206-2222 Robert Dege ffalo.EDU> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training owner-nflug@n flug.org 07/02/01 07:48 PM Please respond to nflug New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From jjneff at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 12:15:51 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: Training Message-ID: <20010705161551.4957.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently discovered a GREAT source of info for a newbie and a oldbie alike. Sometimes it's good for people who have been using Linux for some time to review old and new commands/tools. www.mandrakecampus.com is an excellent easy to follow but very in depth explanation of common and not so common tools ideas and theory of Linux and Unix. Everything builds on everything else and while it may not go into the 100th level of command line switches for every cmd it does give a good idea of what to use a command for and how it's used most often. It can be worked through and small quizzes taken to prove you did learn something. AND IT's FREE!! I Highly recommend it for every newbie and for anyone who may have been using Linux for awhile but grew up in Windows and still "translates in their head" from Windows to Linux. John J. Neff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From intelli at localnet.com Thu Jul 5 12:53:13 2001 From: intelli at localnet.com (Ronald V. Maggio) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: Training References: <20010705161551.4957.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c10572$fb7d7b80$48b4fea9@com1computers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJ Neff" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Training > I have recently discovered a GREAT source of info for a newbie and a oldbie > alike. Sometimes it's good for people who have been using Linux for some time > to review old and new commands/tools. > > www.mandrakecampus.com is an excellent easy to follow but very in depth > explanation of common and not so common tools ideas and theory of Linux and > Unix. Everything builds on everything else and while it may not go into the > 100th level of command line switches for every cmd it does give a good idea of > what to use a command for and how it's used most often. It can be worked > through and small quizzes taken to prove you did learn something. > > AND IT's FREE!! > > I Highly recommend it for every newbie and for anyone who may have been using > Linux for awhile but grew up in Windows and still "translates in their head" > from Windows to Linux. > > John J. Neff > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > Hi John. Sounds great. Since I'm still a newbie and would like to learn Linux. I'm happy that there is a source on the net for Linux tutorials. Bob Meyer handed out copies of Mandrake 8.0 the other month and I'm going to install it soon on one of my systems. I was wondering though. Is there a site on the web that hosts tutorials on installing software; and how to install and use Wine to emulate windows programs? Or is the topics I mentioned explained in the tutorials at the Mandrakecampus site? If it is not could you tell me if you know of any sites that my have the information I need to understand how to use Linux as well as I know how to use Windows. By the way when is the next meeting? Is there one scheduled for this month (ie: July) or is there a summer recess? Let me know if so. Ron M. From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Thu Jul 5 13:03:12 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: Internships/Externships Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FAA@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10574.5FBDBD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The last email that I sent out asked about any possible internships with any companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting certifications help the learning process but are not as valuable as "on the job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 years of experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships are the answer! I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have "MCSE, UNIX Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group (The group we all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the companies that we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to propse this, or if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this: "Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that can take care of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the Intern gains much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an hour a day, three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State will give certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that provide these services." I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get a few of use to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain companies to see if they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG. Sincerely, Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10574.5FBDBD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

The last email that I sent out asked about any possible internships with any companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting certifications help the learning process but are not as valuable as "on the job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 years of experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships are the answer!

I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have "MCSE, UNIX Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group (The group we all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the companies that we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to propse this, or if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this:

"Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that can take care of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the Intern gains much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an hour a day, three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State will give certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that provide these services."

I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get a few of use to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain companies to see if they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG.

Sincerely,

Ronald K. Wechter
Network Systems Administrator
NRD Buffalo Webmaster
Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo
(716) 551-4901

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10574.5FBDBD20-- From carlyos at Buffalo.com Thu Jul 5 13:34:19 2001 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: Internships/Externships Message-ID: <200107051334.AA193331586@mail.buffalo.com> We always have room, and work for interns. What we usually get from schools though are kids that don't really care just come in and leave, or we get kids from U.B. that want to be paid. Hmmmmmm where were the paying internships when I was in college. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wechter, Ron" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:03:12 -0500 >The last email that I sent out asked about any possible internships with any >companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting >certifications help the learning process but are not as valuable as "on the >job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 years of >experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships are the >answer! > >I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have "MCSE, UNIX >Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group (The group we >all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the companies that >we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to propse this, or >if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this: > > "Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that can take care >of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the Intern gains >much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an hour a day, >three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State will give >certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that provide these >services." > >I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get a few of use >to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain companies to see if >they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG. > >Sincerely, > >Ronald K. Wechter >Network Systems Administrator >NRD Buffalo Webmaster >Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo >(716) 551-4901 > > > > From intelli at localnet.com Thu Jul 5 15:24:39 2001 From: intelli at localnet.com (Ronald V. Maggio) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:32 2005 Subject: Internships/Externships References: <200107051334.AA193331586@mail.buffalo.com> Message-ID: <000901c10588$2321e6c0$48b4fea9@com1computers> Well Mr.Wechter has a good point. I looked into this also but this is Buffalo and Buffalo thinks that it is still a Steel Town of sorts. Most business in Buffalo will not pay what your worth unless you have a suma-come-loudly plus enough certifications to choke a horse. Even then they pay less than the national average. ( I can only speak from my own experience ) But most people in the IT trade living in Buffalo will say the same. Well that's my two cents worth! Ron M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Yost" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Internships/Externships > We always have room, and work for interns. What we usually get > from schools though are kids that don't really care just come in > and leave, or we get kids from U.B. that want to be paid. > Hmmmmmm where were the paying internships when I was in college. > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Wechter, Ron" > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:03:12 -0500 > > >The last email that I sent out asked about any possible > internships with any > >companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting > >certifications help the learning process but are not as > valuable as "on the > >job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 > years of > >experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships > are the > >answer! > > > >I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have > "MCSE, UNIX > >Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group > (The group we > >all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the > companies that > >we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to > propse this, or > >if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this: > > > > "Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that > can take care > >of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the > Intern gains > >much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an > hour a day, > >three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State > will give > >certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that > provide these > >services." > > > >I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get > a few of use > >to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain > companies to see if > >they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Ronald K. Wechter > >Network Systems Administrator > >NRD Buffalo Webmaster > >Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > >(716) 551-4901 > > > > > > > > > From chaz03 at localnet.com Mon Jul 9 14:29:02 2001 From: chaz03 at localnet.com (Charles Rishel) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Large drives Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010709142432.00a06ec0@mail.localnet.com> Hey, Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! Good bye storage problems LOL.. http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard drive space on your file server. :-) Just thought you all would appreciate the link. Bye for now, Charles K. Rishel Chaz? From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 9 14:54:30 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Large drives In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010709142432.00a06ec0@mail.localnet.com> Message-ID: Just image an fsck if you crashed with that bad boy. Hell coffee hour. -Rob > Hey, > > Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY > large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how > they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte > hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! > Good bye storage problems LOL.. > > http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm > > Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard > drive space on your file server. :-) > > Just thought you all would appreciate the link. > > Bye for now, > Charles K. Rishel > Chaz� > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 9 14:59:00 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From carl.luberti at eds.com Mon Jul 9 15:12:03 2001 From: carl.luberti at eds.com (Luberti, Carl) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: I'm not sure exactly what Linux does to set it's clock, but I know that the following does set the kernel clock and the system clock to the same time: rdate -s time.chu.nrc.ca setclock It first sets the kernel clock and then sets the hardware clock to the kernel clock. If you still have issues, you may have a CMOS battery problem. > Carlo Luberti > EDS - New York Solution Centre > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > Amherst, NY 14228 > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > http://www.eds.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:59 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Setting the Date Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From gjn at certainlywood.com Mon Jul 9 15:59:29 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Topics for next meeting? Message-ID: <20010709.19592933@gjn.certainlywood.com> I was just wondering if there are any topics set yet, or if we even need to. I always have lots of fun with X-windows ... can't ever seem to get video cards to actually work as advertised! Also, if someone has any hands on experience w/ configuring SAINT, I'd like that. If anybody's interested, I recently set up a software RAID level 1 on my server at work. I could give you >lots< of pointer on what to avoid! ;-) Best regards, Greg -- Gregory J. Neumann, E-mail: gjn@certainlywood.com Certainly Wood Inc., 13000 Route 78, East Aurora, NY 14052-9515 Tel: 716-655-0206 ext. 206, Fax: 716-655-3446 From gjn at certainlywood.com Mon Jul 9 16:34:32 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: <20010709.20343242@gjn.certainlywood.com> Have you tried hwclock? I'm not sure at all if I use it right, even though the man page is pretty impressive and complete. Usually, I specify the time during the distro installation and don't need to do anything after that. But I have used: # hwclock --hctosys to set the system time from the "hardware (BIOS?) clock" to the "system clock". Notice that the "hardware clock" is different from the "system clock", so it is not at all abnormal, or even unusual for there to be a difference if the system is running for any length of time (say 24 hrs or more). The whole clock thing makes me want to get access to a time-server, run ntp and be done w/ it! ;-) Regards, Greg Neumann -- Gregory J. Neumann, E-mail: gjn@certainlywood.com Certainly Wood Inc., 13000 Route 78, East Aurora, NY 14052-9515 Tel: 716-655-0206 ext. 206, Fax: 716-655-3446 From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 9 22:16:59 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Large drives In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010709142432.00a06ec0@mail.localnet.com> Message-ID: >>From what I have seen of Maxtor hard drives, they should work on performance and reliability first. From working with different hard drives all the time, I believe Western Digital takes the prize for IDE drives and Seagate takes the prize for SCSI's. Just my 2 cents worth....... peter@thecybersource.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Charles Rishel Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:29 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Large drives Hey, Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! Good bye storage problems LOL.. http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard drive space on your file server. :-) Just thought you all would appreciate the link. Bye for now, Charles K. Rishel Chaz(r) From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 9 22:20:04 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a similar problem on a dual boot system, where Windoz was reading time as one time and Linux another. It turned out to be using the GMT time. I played with it a while and finally got both to recognize the correct time. peter@thecybersource.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Luberti, Carl Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:12 PM To: 'nflug@nflug.org' Subject: RE: Setting the Date I'm not sure exactly what Linux does to set it's clock, but I know that the following does set the kernel clock and the system clock to the same time: rdate -s time.chu.nrc.ca setclock It first sets the kernel clock and then sets the hardware clock to the kernel clock. If you still have issues, you may have a CMOS battery problem. > Carlo Luberti > EDS - New York Solution Centre > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > Amherst, NY 14228 > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > http://www.eds.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:59 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Setting the Date Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From intelli at localnet.com Tue Jul 10 08:00:01 2001 From: intelli at localnet.com (Ronald V. Maggio) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Large drives References: Message-ID: <001e01c10937$d9e37ba0$48b4fea9@com1computers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyber Source" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: RE: Large drives > >From what I have seen of Maxtor hard drives, they should work on performance > and reliability first. From working with different hard drives all the time, > I believe Western Digital takes the prize for IDE drives and Seagate takes > the prize for SCSI's. Just my 2 cents worth....... > peter@thecybersource.com > ----------------------------snip---------------------------------------- Hi all:) Well Peter I agree with you that Seagate is likely the best SCSI drive out there. But I have had no problem with Maxtor drives at all. But I speak for myself only. I have though ran into a few problems with Western Digital drives. But for the most part I believe the problem stems from either a bad one coming off the line or user end stupidity. Question? Has there ever been a review posted on the web of manufactures designs and which companies rate better over another? Which models had better performance? If anyone has the information share it with us all. Well I don't have two cents right now but will a nickel do? Yours Ron M. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Charles Rishel > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:29 PM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Large drives > > Hey, > > Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY > large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how > they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte > hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! > Good bye storage problems LOL.. > > http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm > > Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard > drive space on your file server. :-) > > Just thought you all would appreciate the link. > > Bye for now, > Charles K. Rishel > Chaz(r) > From jjneff at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 08:06:08 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Large drives In-Reply-To: <001e01c10937$d9e37ba0$48b4fea9@com1computers> Message-ID: <20010710120608.4764.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Try http://www.tomshardware.com/ pretty much considered the quintisential hardware reviewing (and descriptions and explanations) on the net. It is geared towards overclocking and getting the ultimate game performance. But to that end it has great hardware guides that explain hardware in all it's many faceted wonder in great detail. My favorite article "How to build a water cooled CPU heat sink for under $115!" <-- I'm not kidding!!! JJN --- "Ronald V. Maggio" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyber Source" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:16 PM > Subject: RE: Large drives > > > > >From what I have seen of Maxtor hard drives, they should work on > performance > > and reliability first. From working with different hard drives all the > time, > > I believe Western Digital takes the prize for IDE drives and Seagate takes > > the prize for SCSI's. Just my 2 cents worth....... > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > ----------------------------snip---------------------------------------- > Hi all:) > > Well Peter I agree with you that Seagate is likely the best SCSI drive out > there. > But I have had no problem with Maxtor drives at all. But I speak for myself > only. > I have though ran into a few problems with Western Digital drives. But for > the most > part I believe the problem stems from either a bad one coming off the line > or user end stupidity. > Question? Has there ever been a review posted on the web of manufactures > designs and which > companies rate better over another? Which models had better performance? If > anyone has the > information share it with us all. > > Well I don't have two cents right now but will a nickel do? > > Yours > > Ron M. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > > Charles Rishel > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:29 PM > > To: nflug@nflug.org > > Subject: Large drives > > > > Hey, > > > > Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY > > large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how > > they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte > > hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! > > Good bye storage problems LOL.. > > > > http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm > > > > Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard > > drive space on your file server. :-) > > > > Just thought you all would appreciate the link. > > > > Bye for now, > > Charles K. Rishel > > Chaz(r) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jjneff at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 08:32:38 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Time on Linux and Meeting stuff Message-ID: <20010710123238.30657.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> >>From what I can recall Time can be annoying on a Linux box becausue it handles it differently than we are used to seeing in the Winders world (for those who don't remember I gained most of my experience in the south thus 'Winders') Winders sets the hardware clock to whatever local time is, whereas Linux assumes that the hardware clock is set to GMT and uses a file /usr/lib/timezone to set the system time to local (ie GMT + 5) This makes it tought to keep the time straight because if you manually set the time and have a slightly off region set the time will change upon reboot. Also setting the hardware clock to local time and the system time to local will cause the time to change upon restart if the region is set. The tools mentioned hwtosys does just that - takes whatever time is on the HW clock and makes the sys clock match but there is the converse systohw(these are cmd line switches to HWCLOCK which sets the Hardware clock) that allows one to set the sys time (with something like 'date'<- sets system time not hwtime) and then set the HW time to that (like a winders box). This info is a bit outdated (1.5 years ago on debian box) and may be change dramatically on the new distros (that probably just set system to hw as a matter fo course to avoid confusion. I saw no mention of GMT installing Mandrake 8.0 Please check the man page for HWCLOCK for a better explanation - I ended up using NTPDATE when I had a cable modem since I also had a bad Mainboard that forgot the time when rebooted:-) This MAN page gives a GREAT explanation for clocks and also explains why a dual boot system may have fighting clocks (VFAT uses HW Clock which may get changed by Linux) Read it -all will be made clear... THere is a meeting scheduled this Sunday (it comes fast when the first day of the month is sat or sunday). Possible topics include... " what I am doing for my summer break" "Where I can get a free 64MB AGP video card so I can play NOLF" "how much wood has that woodchuck chucked?" See y'all there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gjn at certainlywood.com Tue Jul 10 10:45:49 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Time and Meeting Stuff Message-ID: <20010710.14454944@gjn.certainlywood.com> > THere is a meeting scheduled this Sunday (it comes fast when the first day of > the month is sat or sunday). Possible topics include... > " what I am doing for my summer break" > "Where I can get a free 64MB AGP video card so I can play NOLF" > "how much wood has that woodchuck chucked?" OUCH! That's RIGHT!! =O I would've shown up a week late and several dollars short! This weekend will be harder to squeeze in, need to go out of town Friday to Saturday, but I'll try to get there. I'll take "where I can get a free PCI VGA of ANY sort!" XFree86 4.x doesn't seem to like my old Trident 8900 too much! (surprised?) JJ - Thanks for the info on the clocks! NTP sounds like the best way to handle it, if you have reliable, somewhat speedy internet access. I've tried to do that in the past, but couldn't get all the pieces to talk together happy. BTW, the date on the man page is "02 March 1998", so your info remains pretty current. -Greg From gjn at certainlywood.com Tue Jul 10 11:03:10 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Large Drives Message-ID: <20010710.15031000@gjn.certainlywood.com> Nothing scientific here at all, but ... I have a Maxtor SCSI in constant service since '94. I've also had to send back two WD's less than one year old. One Maxtor, too. As a long time Byte reader, I've been keeping up w/ Chaos Manor website, and Jerry Pournelle has shifted from WD to Maxtor in the last 9 months. Said that he's found the tables totally reversed to the point that he no longer puts WD's in anything important. Myself, I'm very leery of these "multiple-of-10-gig" drives. It just seems they're pushing the envelope really fast. I could be wrong, and I'm certainly no expert, but the jump from 6-10 gig to 20-40+ gig seemed way to fast compared to the earlier drive size jumps, and the move to 3.5" platters for "super-sized-drives" makes me pause, too. I keep the home Window$ box confined to 8 gig on a 15 gig. Linux gets the rest, and if anybody needs room on the VFAT, delete "temporary internet files" , mp3's or remove a disk-hogging game! (But don't touch my Diablo II! ;-) ) Seems to work. -Greg From ccb at acm.org Tue Jul 10 11:04:06 2001 From: ccb at acm.org (ccb@acm.org) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Time on Linux and Meeting stuff In-Reply-To: Message from JJ Neff of "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:32:38 PDT." <20010710123238.30657.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200107101504.f6AF46411138@memecycle.com> JJ Neff Sez: > Winders sets the hardware clock to whatever local time is, whereas Linux > assumes that the hardware clock is set to GMT and uses a file > /usr/lib/timezone > to set the system time to local (ie GMT + 5) Linux is actually flexible about what your harware clock is doing but I think this is handled differently on different distributions. My RedHat 6.2 system has a file that describes to the system what you're doing with time - /etc/sysconfig/clock. When UTC=true in the file, Linux assumes that the system clock is giving GMT time. If you are running your system in a dual-boot configuration, you're better off setting UTC=false and letting Winders do what it can't help doing to your clock. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb@valinux.com www.valinux.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Tue Jul 10 13:37:37 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. After doing some research, this is what I found: On a Redhat/Mandrake, the date is initially set in a file called /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit About 2 pages down, it executes a command /sbin/hwclock -htctosys. It also has a few extra parameters that references the file /etc/sysconfig/clock. -Rob > I had a similar problem on a dual boot system, where Windoz was reading time > as one time and Linux another. It turned out to be using the GMT time. I > played with it a while and finally got both to recognize the correct time. > peter@thecybersource.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Luberti, Carl > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:12 PM > To: 'nflug@nflug.org' > Subject: RE: Setting the Date > > I'm not sure exactly what Linux does to set it's clock, but I know that the > following does set the kernel clock and the system clock to the same time: > > rdate -s time.chu.nrc.ca > setclock > > It first sets the kernel clock and then sets the hardware clock to the > kernel clock. If you still have issues, you may have a CMOS battery > problem. > > > Carlo Luberti > > EDS - New York Solution Centre > > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > > Amherst, NY 14228 > > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > > http://www.eds.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:59 PM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Setting the Date > > > > Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it > was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. > > Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. > > Dege > > Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but > they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From keg at adelphia.net Tue Jul 10 16:57:37 2001 From: keg at adelphia.net (Kevin E. Glosser) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date References: Message-ID: <002401c10982$f43691e0$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> Listening to this thread I wonder...what happens on a multi BIOS motherboard with possibly multiple CMOS? Is it possible to have different system clock settings that way? Just wondering out loud. :) KEG From gjn at certainlywood.com Wed Jul 11 10:05:49 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> > Listening to this thread I wonder...what happens on a multi BIOS motherboard > with possibly multiple CMOS? Is it possible to have different system clock > settings that way? > Just wondering out loud. :) > KEG I can't even keep ONE BIOS straight! Multiple BIOS's would fry what remains of "the little gray cells"! :-) -Greg BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't window$, they have no clue! From jbielli at netsos.com Wed Jul 11 11:53:36 2001 From: jbielli at netsos.com (Joe Bielli) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date References: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <000f01c10a21$a5143cd0$07437fcf@NETSOS.COM> > BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux > router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of > solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't > window$, they have no clue! > Not only do they not have a clue, but I'm pretty sure they don't appreciate consumers using any sort of routing/nat devices on their (crappy, imho) network. An aquaintence once told me that he had to sign something given to him by adelphia that stated he would not run any type of server os on their network (including but not limited to NT4/*nix). Back in the day we used to build really nice ipmasq linux boxes for 'sharing the wealth'.. but cheap devices like the BEFSR11 (www.linksys.com) put me and some friends out of business :) cheers, Joseph Bielli From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 12:21:31 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <20010711162131.54044.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Gregory J.Neumann" wrote: > BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux > router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of > solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't > window$, they have no clue! I do exactly that at home. I have a junk machine that is configured to start up in init level 3 (no X) and I have it doing ipchains to firewall/masquerade. We have a Coyote Linux box set up for the group that we connect to a similar kind of setup in the Towers. Work fine, last long time... The tech support guys are funny. I had the installer going when he showed up. He essentially just stood there and watched while I set everything up. He said: "I've heard that people could do this, I never saw it before now..." cool stuff Bob ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gjn at certainlywood.com Wed Jul 11 14:30:02 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Adelphia rambling Message-ID: <20010711.18300256@gjn.certainlywood.com> Bob wrote: > I do exactly that at home. I have a junk machine that is configured to start > up in init level 3 (no X) and I have it doing ipchains to firewall/masquerade. > We have a Coyote Linux box set up for the group that we connect to a similar > kind of setup in the Towers. Work fine, last long time... > The tech support guys are funny. I had the installer going when he showed up. > He essentially just stood there and watched while I set everything up. He > said: "I've heard that people could do this, I never saw it before now..." > cool stuff > Bob Same thing here. The guy walked in, I handed him the RJ45 cable end and said, "All set. What are the DNS and DHCP settings?" He didn't know ("I'm just an installer ...") and insisted that he had to connect it to ONE Win9x computer only, so I shuffled the cables, he was happy. After he walked out, I moved the cable to the firewall, and everybody was happy! I read the service contract 5 times that day, and as long as I don't export services off the premises, and don't expect tech support, what I do w/ the signal after it leaves the "surfboard" is my business. I've actually had fairly good luck. But tech support doesn't seem to know stuff like "DHCP server" and "primary DNS". They may not be allowed to give that stuff out? When they crash and burn, that's the only real trouble I have. Adelphia seems to have an annoying habit of changing things just enough when they get back up that I have to go through and reconfigure stuff. Like good(?) ol' M$, they seem to want to be able to exercise control over your computer when you're not looking and they want to keep the stuff "great-big-magic-you-can-no-understand"! Linksys really put the damper on the home Linux routers, but I always wonder about a "black box" thing like that. Still, it beats being part of Adelphia's big happy "Network Neighborhood"! ("Please disable file and print sharing ...") When it works, it works well! Last night I got the ISO's for >Slackware< 8.0 while my oldest son was either kicking or getting kicked in butt in CounterStrike and middle daughter was IM'ing 6 people. Pretty nice. I don't think our "node" is terribly populated, though. BTW, If all works well, I've managed to clear my schedule w/ SWMBO for the meeting Sunday. Anybody between Holland and Buffalo via 400 and near the route need a ride? Best regards, Greg From carlyos at Buffalo.com Wed Jul 11 15:01:37 2001 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Verizon DSL Message-ID: <200107111501.AA110232220@mail.buffalo.com> Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... Thanks Carl Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Wed Jul 11 15:13:43 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: jumpstart server info Message-ID: <3B4CA567.41B514DC@phor.com> hello, if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some questions of someone who has done this before. thanks -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Jul 11 15:35:51 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Verizon DSL In-Reply-To: <200107111501.AA110232220@mail.buffalo.com> Message-ID: Can you keep me posted on your progress? I will be moving into the Buffalo area in September & plan on using Verizon DSL. -Rob > Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... > > > Thanks > > Carl > > Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From jbielli at netsos.com Wed Jul 11 15:36:43 2001 From: jbielli at netsos.com (Joe Bielli) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Verizon DSL References: <200107111501.AA110232220@mail.buffalo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c10a40$d117d7f0$07437fcf@NETSOS.COM> You need a PPPoE client for linux, as well as your username/password you received when you signed up. Generally most newer distributions come prepackaged with one.. or of course you could find one @ ftp.cse.buffalo.edu Joe Bielli Computer SOS, inc. 1780 Wehrle Drive Williamsville, NY 14221 P:// 716.635.0086 E:// jbielli@netsos.com > Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... > > > Thanks > > Carl > > Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! > From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Jul 11 15:39:11 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Adelphia rambling In-Reply-To: <20010711.18300256@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: >>From my visit with the Adelphia guys: 24.48.33.2 - Primary (alpha.buf.adelphia.net) 24.48.33.3 - Secondary (omega.buf.adelphia.net) 24.48.33.1 - Gateway Appropriately named of course :) I must say that when the Adelphia guys came over, they were actually intruiged about my linux box & wanted to watch it bootup & obtain the IP address automatically. They heard alot of this thing called "Linux" & wanted to see what it looked like. -Rob > Same thing here. The guy walked in, I handed him the RJ45 cable end and > said, "All set. What are the DNS and DHCP settings?" He didn't know > ("I'm just an installer ...") and insisted that he had to connect it to > ONE Win9x computer only, so I shuffled the cables, he was happy. After > he walked out, I moved the cable to the firewall, and everybody was > happy! > > I read the service contract 5 times that day, and as long as I don't > export services off the premises, and don't expect tech support, what I > do w/ the signal after it leaves the "surfboard" is my business. I've > actually had fairly good luck. But tech support doesn't seem to know > stuff like "DHCP server" and "primary DNS". They may not be allowed to > give that stuff out? When they crash and burn, that's the only real > trouble I have. Adelphia seems to have an annoying habit of changing > things just enough when they get back up that I have to go through and > reconfigure stuff. Like good(?) ol' M$, they seem to want to be able to > exercise control over your computer when you're not looking and they want > to keep the stuff "great-big-magic-you-can-no-understand"! > > Linksys really put the damper on the home Linux routers, but I always > wonder about a "black box" thing like that. Still, it beats being part > of Adelphia's big happy "Network Neighborhood"! ("Please disable file > and print sharing ...") > > When it works, it works well! Last night I got the ISO's for >Slackware< > 8.0 while my oldest son was either kicking or getting kicked in butt in > CounterStrike and middle daughter was IM'ing 6 people. Pretty nice. I > don't think our "node" is terribly populated, though. > > BTW, If all works well, I've managed to clear my schedule w/ SWMBO for > the meeting Sunday. Anybody between Holland and Buffalo via 400 and near > the route need a ride? > > Best regards, > Greg > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 15:40:41 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: jumpstart server info In-Reply-To: <3B4CA567.41B514DC@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010711194041.1580.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I don't see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. Cheers! Bob --- Darin Perusich wrote: > hello, > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > questions of someone who has done this before. > > thanks > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From carlyos at Buffalo.com Wed Jul 11 16:22:07 2001 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Verizon DSL Message-ID: <200107111622.AA192479728@mail.buffalo.com> Joe, Thanks for the info I will give that a try tonight :) Appreciate it...... I will let everyone know my success for their info also. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Joe Bielli" Reply-To: nflug@nflug.org Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:36:43 -0400 >You need a PPPoE client for linux, as well as your username/password you >received when you signed up. Generally most newer distributions come >prepackaged with one.. or of course you could find one @ ftp.cse.buffalo.edu > >Joe Bielli >Computer SOS, inc. >1780 Wehrle Drive >Williamsville, NY 14221 >P:// 716.635.0086 >E:// jbielli@netsos.com > > > > >> Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable >and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or >seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's >a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an >ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Carl >> >> Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! >> > > Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! From keg at adelphia.net Wed Jul 11 21:30:42 2001 From: keg at adelphia.net (Kevin E. Glosser) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date References: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <001e01c10a72$44837560$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> > BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux > router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of > solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't > window$, they have no clue! I use a Linksys 4 port router to share my cable modem amongst 4 pc's. I would use a linux box + to do it, but I was given the router and it works very well. It is hard to argue against it, it is so brain dead easy to setup, flexible and not that expensive. I've had the router for 1 year now, the cable modem 4 years I believe. I have recommended the Linksys router to several people and so far noone has had any issue with one that I know. Now, they make a 8 port version. I also understand there is a wireless version. Someone I work with recently got one of those. I await to here how well it works and holds up. As for Adelphia, they suck. The service is ok, the technical support blows. Everytime I call them to alert them of a issue, I have to convince them I didn't out of the blue decide to completely screw up my network configuration. Oh and they won't help you if you have a router. It's obviously the router that is the cause of all Adelphia technical difficulties, you see. So you can temporarily remove it from the equation or lie to them. The router has the ability to spoof a MAC address. So, if you are paranoid you can make the router look like the NIC they give you when you sign up for the service. KEG From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Jul 12 08:32:16 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: <001e01c10a72$44837560$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Hello All, Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Thu Jul 12 09:18:25 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions References: Message-ID: <3B4DA3A1.B5585797@phor.com> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, /mnt/jaz ./etc. /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 that should do it for you. Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Jul 12 09:23:24 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: <3B4DA3A1.B5585797@phor.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I will give that a try and let you know how I make out. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin Perusich Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, /mnt/jaz ./etc. /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 that should do it for you. Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Thu Jul 12 13:38:02 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: <001e01c10a72$44837560$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> Message-ID: You say this assuming that they're smart enough to look for that. I have complete faith in Adelphia's ladder to success. You don't get fired or demoted, you get transferred to the Tech support division :) -Rob > So you can temporarily remove it from the equation or lie to them. The > router has the ability to spoof a MAC address. So, if you are paranoid you > can make the router look like the NIC they give you when you sign up for the > service. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Jul 12 21:12:25 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: <3B4DA3A1.B5585797@phor.com> Message-ID: Hello Darin, Thanks for the info, it works great. Now, 1 other problem if you could help, I have a burner that I like to play cd's on because my other high speed drive has a tendency to skip. On Mandrake, I could at least play the cd's on the high speed drive but on RedHat, I can't listen to any audio cd on either drive, the burner or the regular cd-rom drive. Both cd players will mount data cd's but not audio cd's. I have played around a little with trying to mount as a scsi device (even though its ide but that's what I have read) to no avail. I am wondering if the problem has to do with the file system mount (fs). I have been using iso9660, any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin Perusich Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, /mnt/jaz ./etc. /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 that should do it for you. Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Thu Jul 12 21:45:51 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you're supposed to mount audio CD's. CD Players just directly query the device from the /dev/ directory. What you can try doing is create a soft link in /dev from you CD-Rom device -> /dev/cdrom Most commonly, SCSI CD-Roms start off as scd0. IDE CD-Roms are dependant upon the IDE Controller it's on & Master/Slave. ie: cd /dev ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom or cd /dev ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom Hope this gives you a direction to work with. -Rob > Hello Darin, > Thanks for the info, it works great. Now, 1 other problem if you could > help, I have a burner that I like to play cd's on because my other high > speed drive has a tendency to skip. On Mandrake, I could at least play the > cd's on the high speed drive but on RedHat, I can't listen to any audio cd > on either drive, the burner or the regular cd-rom drive. Both cd players > will mount data cd's but not audio cd's. I have played around a little with > trying to mount as a scsi device (even though its ide but that's what I have > read) to no avail. I am wondering if the problem has to do with the file > system mount (fs). I have been using iso9660, any suggestions? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin > Perusich > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions > > mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as > the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look > like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, > /mnt/jaz ./etc. > > > /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 > > that should do it for you. > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box > with > > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the > ISO's. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From crishel at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 07:37:09 2001 From: crishel at hotmail.com (Charles R) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: DOH!! Can someone help me here?? Message-ID: Hey guys, I have tried to post to the group for the past 3 days, and none of my email's seem to be making it to the group. I think I know what the problem is, but I am not getting any returned messages or anything. They are just disappearing into cyber-space. I think it may be the fact that I have Adelphia for my internet connection now, and it seems one of the mail servers is on a spam-blocking list, and therefore there are numerous domains in which email will not be accepted. Who is in charge of the mail-list now? Could you check just to make sure that my alternate email address 'chaz03@localnet.com' is still on the list. I didn't use my dialup to send the messages, therefore they went through the Adelphia servers, and I think they got vanished on me. I would appreciate it if someone could check just to make sure that I am still on the list. My email acct is setup to use my localnet address and everything, but outgoing email has to go through Adelphia, or I have to email from my workstation that still has dial-out capabilities. So that is why I think it may be being blocked. Dont know if anyone will be able to see this from that end or not, but appreciated the time spent to check for me. Guess I will know if this message shows up on the list ;-) Thanks, Charles K. Rishel Chaz? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From crishel at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 07:42:40 2001 From: crishel at hotmail.com (Charles R) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: DOH!! Can someone help me here?? Message-ID: Well, that answers MANY questions, now doesn't it. :-) At least I know that I have not gone completely insane. Chaz? >From: "Charles R" >Reply-To: nflug@nflug.org >To: nflug@nflug.org >Subject: DOH!! Can someone help me here?? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:37:09 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [24.48.58.161] >Received: from [216.5.243.200] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD17F0DF002C40043196D805F3C899490; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:40:16 -0700 >Received: (from smadmin@localhost)by denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED >ACCESS/8.11.2) id f6D8atE28580for nflug-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:36:55 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18])by >denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6D8as520111for >; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:36:54 GMT >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:37:10 -0700 >Received: from 24.48.58.161 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, >13 Jul 2001 07:37:09 GMT >>From owner-nflug@nflug.org Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:40:44 -0700 >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 07:37:10.0307 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A0142F30:01C10B6E] >Sender: owner-nflug@nflug.org >Precedence: bulk > >Hey guys, > >I have tried to post to the group for the past 3 days, and none of my >email's seem to be making it to the group. I think I know what the problem >is, but I am not getting any returned messages or anything. They are just >disappearing into cyber-space. I think it may be the fact that I have >Adelphia for my internet connection now, and it seems one of the mail >servers is on a spam-blocking list, and therefore there are numerous >domains >in which email will not be accepted. Who is in charge of the mail-list >now? > Could you check just to make sure that my alternate email address >'chaz03@localnet.com' is still on the list. I didn't use my dialup to send >the messages, therefore they went through the Adelphia servers, and I think >they got vanished on me. I would appreciate it if someone could check just >to make sure that I am still on the list. > My email acct is setup to use my localnet address and everything, but >outgoing email has to go through Adelphia, or I have to email from my >workstation that still has dial-out capabilities. So that is why I think >it >may be being blocked. Dont know if anyone will be able to see this from >that end or not, but appreciated the time spent to check for me. Guess I >will know if this message shows up on the list ;-) > >Thanks, >Charles K. Rishel >Chaz? >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From crishel at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 07:50:15 2001 From: crishel at hotmail.com (Charles R) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Don't need help Message-ID: Hey again, Well, I used the 'which' command to find that I still am listed for the nflug list, therefore it is most likely what I suspected all along. No need to check that for me. Does anyone know if you would see my email being blocked? I thought I would get a rejection notice, but no such luck. Oh well, onward and upward, I will check via Hotmail for now. Thanks again, Chaz? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Fri Jul 13 07:41:25 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Don't need help References: Message-ID: <3B4EDE65.66415B35@phor.com> being the list moderater i recieve any and all email messages that are sent from non-members, messages with attachments that are too large, address that can't be resolved, accounts where quotas are filled, etc, etc, etc. i do recall that a month or so ago all messages to your account where being returned to sender. i don't recall the reason but it was probably one of the abover mentioned, since they are the most common. usually when this happens i let it go for awhile but i can't let it go forever. i send a message out to the list asking if anyone knows that person and if they don't i remove them from the list. Charles R wrote: > > Hey again, > > Well, I used the 'which' command to find that I still am listed for the > nflug list, therefore it is most likely what I suspected all along. No need > to check that for me. Does anyone know if you would see my email being > blocked? I thought I would get a rejection notice, but no such luck. Oh > well, onward and upward, I will check via Hotmail for now. > > Thanks again, > Chaz? > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From peter at thecybersource.com Fri Jul 13 09:09:25 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Rob, Talk about over thinking the problem. I have 2 cd players and the cd player was looking at the other drive, which is the master on the channel, I changed it and now it works fine. I was unaware that you could not mount an audio cd. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Robert Dege Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:46 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: RE: Mounting Windows Partitions Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you're supposed to mount audio CD's. CD Players just directly query the device from the /dev/ directory. What you can try doing is create a soft link in /dev from you CD-Rom device -> /dev/cdrom Most commonly, SCSI CD-Roms start off as scd0. IDE CD-Roms are dependant upon the IDE Controller it's on & Master/Slave. ie: cd /dev ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom or cd /dev ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom Hope this gives you a direction to work with. -Rob > Hello Darin, > Thanks for the info, it works great. Now, 1 other problem if you could > help, I have a burner that I like to play cd's on because my other high > speed drive has a tendency to skip. On Mandrake, I could at least play the > cd's on the high speed drive but on RedHat, I can't listen to any audio cd > on either drive, the burner or the regular cd-rom drive. Both cd players > will mount data cd's but not audio cd's. I have played around a little with > trying to mount as a scsi device (even though its ide but that's what I have > read) to no avail. I am wondering if the problem has to do with the file > system mount (fs). I have been using iso9660, any suggestions? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin > Perusich > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions > > mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as > the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look > like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, > /mnt/jaz ./etc. > > > /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 > > that should do it for you. > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box > with > > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the > ISO's. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Fri Jul 13 09:20:33 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:33 2005 Subject: jumpstart server info References: <20010711194041.1580.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B4EF5A1.55BA65BB@phor.com> since this is my first time playing with jumpstart server i've stepped back to getting it to work with bootp first. i contact sun about the dhcp install and, suprise suprise they don't have much experience using dhcp. the sent me one of those uncontrolled documents on how to get it working, but they can't support it then though it was written by sun. when using the bootp it's booting over the network but it's not reading the sysidcfg file i created, and then it can't find the rules.ok file either. when i ran the add_install_client script i told it where to find all this stuff but it's like it ignoring it. i'm going to keep beating on it, i figure that it will eventually submit to my hammering. if you have any pointers let me know. thanks Robert Meyer wrote: > > I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I don't > see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. > > Cheers! > > Bob > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > hello, > > > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > > questions of someone who has done this before. > > > > thanks > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Fri Jul 13 11:33:06 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: CD-Burner Message-ID: I have a SCSI CD-Burner at work. I just recompiled my kernel to & now it doesn't work. Does anybody know what kernel extensions need to be enabled for it to work correctly? I am able to use it as a standard CD-Rom (mounting, audio & such), but I can no longer burn. If I boot back to the older kernel, that feature is restored. So I know it's the kernel. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 13:56:22 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: CD-Burner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010713175622.49176.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> In addition to the scsi driver that you install for your controller, you typically install 'sd' drivers for disks and 'sr' for CDROM and 'st' for tape. If you also add the 'sg' drivers, you will be able to burn again. In fact, if you compiled everything as modules, 'modprobe sg' should install the CD-R driver and it should find the writer. Let me know if this is the problem Cheers! Bob --- Robert Dege wrote: > > I have a SCSI CD-Burner at work. I just recompiled my kernel to & now > it doesn't work. Does anybody know what kernel extensions need to be > enabled for it to work correctly? > > I am able to use it as a standard CD-Rom (mounting, audio & such), but I > can no longer burn. If I boot back to the older kernel, that feature is > restored. So I know it's the kernel. > > > Dege > > Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but > they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 13 14:12:33 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB8@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BC7.63280890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BC7.63280890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :)

Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform?

Ronald K. Wechter
Network Systems Administrator
NRD Buffalo Webmaster
Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo
(716) 551-4901

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BC7.63280890-- From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Fri Jul 13 14:49:29 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB8@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: I am not aware of any GNU utils that provide this function. I only know of 2 programs that perform this function.... Winzip & zip2exe.exe, both of which only run on Windows. The only way that I can think of would be to run either of these programs through an emulator like Wine, or something like that. -Rob > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > Ronald K. Wechter > Network Systems Administrator > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > (716) 551-4901 > > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 14:51:23 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: jumpstart server info In-Reply-To: <3B4EF5A1.55BA65BB@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010713185123.9475.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Several things come to mind. First, I think that it NFS mounts the root directory after booting. If you don't have your exports file set right, it won't find the root. If it boots, tftp is working. Make sure that your root directory is set correctly in bootp.conf or bootparamd.something(I think that's the name). As I recall getting it right the first time is the hard part. After that, adding machines is a piece of cake. later... Bob --- Darin Perusich wrote: > since this is my first time playing with jumpstart server i've stepped > back to getting it to work with bootp first. i contact sun about the > dhcp install and, suprise suprise they don't have much experience using > dhcp. the sent me one of those uncontrolled documents on how to get it > working, but they can't support it then though it was written by sun. > > when using the bootp it's booting over the network but it's not reading > the sysidcfg file i created, and then it can't find the rules.ok file > either. when i ran the add_install_client script i told it where to find > all this stuff but it's like it ignoring it. > > i'm going to keep beating on it, i figure that it will eventually submit > to my hammering. if you have any pointers let me know. > > thanks > > > Robert Meyer wrote: > > > > I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I > don't > > see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Bob > > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > > hello, > > > > > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > > > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > > > questions of someone who has done this before. > > > > > > thanks > > > -- > > > Darin Perusich > > > Unix Administrator > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > > ===== > > Bob Meyer > > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > > 36 Cayuga Blvd > > Depew, NY 14043 > > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 14:54:54 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB8@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <20010713185454.48939.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Try PKZIP for Linux :-) http://freshmeat.net/projects/pkzipforlinux/ Cheers! Bob --- "Wechter, Ron" wrote: > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > Ronald K. Wechter > Network Systems Administrator > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > (716) 551-4901 > > > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 13 14:58:29 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB9@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Well I found a site that had license free software (runs on winblows though :( ) but accomplishs my task at hand. Here is the URL: http://www.kalab.com/freeware/makezip/makezip.htm Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:49 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Zip -- Really Stupid Question I am not aware of any GNU utils that provide this function. I only know of 2 programs that perform this function.... Winzip & zip2exe.exe, both of which only run on Windows. The only way that I can think of would be to run either of these programs through an emulator like Wine, or something like that. -Rob > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > Ronald K. Wechter > Network Systems Administrator > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > (716) 551-4901 > > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 15:01:51 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <20010713185454.48939.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010713190151.42430.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> I forgot about the GPL/open source requirement. There are none of those on Freshmeat... Bob --- Robert Meyer wrote: > Try PKZIP for Linux :-) > http://freshmeat.net/projects/pkzipforlinux/ > > Cheers! > > Bob > > --- "Wechter, Ron" wrote: > > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create > self-extracting > > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > > > Ronald K. Wechter > > Network Systems Administrator > > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > > (716) 551-4901 > > > > > > > > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Fri Jul 13 15:02:49 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: jumpstart server info References: <20010713185123.9475.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B4F45D9.7787767E@phor.com> the NFS shares appear to be setup correctly, the client boots up and grabs the info from the sysidcfg file. what gets me is that it can't find the rules.ok, which is in the same location. wierd, i just got off the phone with a jumpstart tech and he sounded stumped. i'm sure i'll be hearing from him soon as i just emailed him the system configs. fun fun fun Robert Meyer wrote: > > Several things come to mind. First, I think that it NFS mounts the root > directory after booting. If you don't have your exports file set right, it > won't find the root. If it boots, tftp is working. Make sure that your root > directory is set correctly in bootp.conf or bootparamd.something(I think that's > the name). As I recall getting it right the first time is the hard part. > After that, adding machines is a piece of cake. > > later... > > Bob > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > since this is my first time playing with jumpstart server i've stepped > > back to getting it to work with bootp first. i contact sun about the > > dhcp install and, suprise suprise they don't have much experience using > > dhcp. the sent me one of those uncontrolled documents on how to get it > > working, but they can't support it then though it was written by sun. > > > > when using the bootp it's booting over the network but it's not reading > > the sysidcfg file i created, and then it can't find the rules.ok file > > either. when i ran the add_install_client script i told it where to find > > all this stuff but it's like it ignoring it. > > > > i'm going to keep beating on it, i figure that it will eventually submit > > to my hammering. if you have any pointers let me know. > > > > thanks > > > > > > Robert Meyer wrote: > > > > > > I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I > > don't > > > see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Bob > > > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > > > > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > > > > questions of someone who has done this before. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > -- > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > > > > ===== > > > Bob Meyer > > > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > > > 36 Cayuga Blvd > > > Depew, NY 14043 > > > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > > > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 16 13:43:56 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Some humor Message-ID: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From mrjames at localnet.com Tue Jul 17 08:53:31 2001 From: mrjames at localnet.com (Michael R. James) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Message-ID: <200107171356.JAA16915@allman.localnet.com> Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the problems encountered and the solutions implemented. Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. Thoughts, ideas are welcome. Michael R. James, CNE mrjames@localnet.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Jul 17 09:31:56 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Peter Jarzynka) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office Message-ID: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D48008E251008CE4FC8 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new Star= =20 Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work well for = mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the printer working= =20 fine in other programs. Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com --------------=_4D48008E251008CE4FC8 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Printing on Star Office

Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com

--------------=_4D48008E251008CE4FC8-- From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 10:38:44 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just pickup the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to configure the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in. > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > peter@thecybersource.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From carl.luberti at eds.com Tue Jul 17 10:55:14 2001 From: carl.luberti at eds.com (Luberti, Carl) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Message-ID: I think, personally, that the best way to migrate is to run VMWare (http://www.vmware.com) or Win4Lin (http://www.netraverse.com) so that applications are not just dropped, users can be migrated in a greater timeframe and more "at their leisure", so to speak. As far as BDC or NIS, I am unsure. I use Samba for most PDC/BDC operations here, but I cannot speak to other options as I have not tried them. > Carlo Luberti > EDS - New York Solution Centre > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > Amherst, NY 14228 > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > http://www.eds.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael R. James [mailto:mrjames@localnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:54 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the problems encountered and the solutions implemented. Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. Thoughts, ideas are welcome. Michael R. James, CNE mrjames@localnet.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Jul 17 12:27:29 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800BB45040870E698 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Any advise on how to configure that file? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich =20 wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star Office: > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just picku= p > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to configur= e > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in. > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > peter@thecybersource.com > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------=_4D4800BB45040870E698 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Printing on Star Office

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On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich
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Office:


> printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just
pickup
> the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run
> /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to
configure
> the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in.

> > Peter Jarzynka wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for th=
e new
> > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not=
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> > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have =
the
> > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks,
> > peter@thecybersource.com

> --
> Darin Perusich
> Unix Administrator
> Cognigen Corp.
> darinper@cognigencorp.com

--------------=_4D4800BB45040870E698-- From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 12:31:56 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and stuff. > Cyber Source wrote: > > Thanks, > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star > Office: > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > pickup > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > configure > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in. > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 12:32:58 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops References: <200107171356.JAA16915@allman.localnet.com> Message-ID: <3B5468BA.5D63D2C9@phor.com> it's been my experience that you will never get fully away from windows, there will always be some need for the apps avialable. but there are ways around this. my experience with this comes from an environment using solaris and windows but it applies to linux as well. the company i work for, cognigen has invested quite a bit in sun hardware and software. when the company was smaller, meaning 10 to 15 or so users everything was run on solaris and you'd have to go to a PC to do anything windows bases. everyone had a thin client at there desk that connected them to a sun e450 and they used CDE as the desktop, CDE is a nasty beast if you as me and why we switched to KDE. we use NIS+ for consolidation of passwds, groups, home directories, and whatever else. NIS uses primary and secondary/backup servers for domain control, i.e PDC and BDC for the windows people. you can also define sub domains, domain.com is the overall controller, abc.domain.com, def.domain.com for sub-domains like marketing, hr ./etc. what to do when you need office at your unix desktop? the easiest, if not best solution is to use citrix metaframe? get yourself a windows2000 running terminal services on a beefy box, install office or what ever and then install citrix and it's just about ready to go. on the unix/linux end to citrix client take about 15 minutes to install and configure. it's not as fast as having it natively but it work well, any of the latency are currently being worked on. we'd did benchark testing between win2k and nt4, win2k is the way to go, speed and performance wise. back to the authentication. once you get your citrix server up you don't want to have to maintain accounts on this box as well, that's why you use nis+ for the unix machines. unix, windows password synchronization any sysadmins biggest problem. one which we've vistied on many occasions. depending on your environment one may be the better pick. if you want to share your unix filesystems out to the windows machines you're are likely to use samba, so setting samba up as a PDC might be the right choice. you can use LDAP, novel "claims" to have solved this across the enterprise for unix, windows, oracle you name it. i don't have as much faith as they do though. if you don't mind having NIS+ and a windows PDC microsoft has a really cool feature included in it's services for unix. they has a mechinism for password synchronization, a daemon that runs on you unix server and the windows machine. so when you change your password in one place it propagates to the other. it actually works and much to my suprise they provide the source code so you can compile it if they haven't provided the binary. we choose to use Sun's PC Netlink which is software that make you sun server look just like a nt4 PDC/BDC/member server. it is sun's answer to samba but it's not reversed engineered. it doesn't have the password synchronization, but it's coming in the next version. again this solution depends on you environment. pc netlink will suck the data out of your windows PDC also so you won't loose that data. to make every system look to same you'd setup a jumpstart server for solaris or a kickstart server for redhat linux. it's a hands free method to install you workstation once you get it setup. for kickstart you configure a boot floppy and let go and on sun machines you do "boot net - install" from the eeprom (sun's bios, kind of). nothing mentioned can be done overnight, unless of course your superman and you can go back in time but they are all feasible ways to migrate from one to the other. "Michael R. James" wrote: > > Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 > users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously > looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience > with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along > with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control > the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. > Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a > whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a > smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very > little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I > propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the > problems encountered and the solutions implemented. > > Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation > maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the > Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with > Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and > passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS > server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the > NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" > directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing > is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the > wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely > necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation > wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement > NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and > implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What > obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to > Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased > transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. > > Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see > Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the > pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated > into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. > > Thoughts, ideas are welcome. > > Michael R. James, CNE > mrjames@localnet.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 12:35:02 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: firewall VAR Message-ID: <3B546936.AAE44EF1@phor.com> does anyone know a good firewall reseller in the area? -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From jbielli at netsos.com Tue Jul 17 13:03:03 2001 From: jbielli at netsos.com (Joe Bielli) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: firewall VAR In-Reply-To: <3B546936.AAE44EF1@phor.com> Message-ID: <000001c10ee2$57a5b580$07437fcf@NETSOS.COM> Darin, Give me a call, we're right across the street. I'm sure we have -several- solutions for you. Joe Bielli Computer SOS, inc. 1780 Wehrle Drive Williamsville, NY 14221 P:// 716.635.0086 E:// jbielli@netsos.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org] On Behalf Of Darin Perusich Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:35 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: firewall VAR does anyone know a good firewall reseller in the area? -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Jul 17 15:27:59 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800E917180860C2B8 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is liste= d=20 there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one puts a ne= w=20 driver on there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich =20 wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star Office: > it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and stuff= . > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > Thanks, > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on St= ar > > Office: > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > > pickup > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > > configure > > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in.= > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the = new > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not w= ork > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have th= e > > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > -- > > > Darin Perusich > > > Unix Administrator > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------=_4D4800E917180860C2B8 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Printing on Star Office

It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is
listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one
puts a new driver on there
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On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich
<Darin.Perusich@cognigencorp.com> wrote regarding Re: Printing on =
Star
Office:


> it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it
> should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and
stuff.

> > Cyber Source wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   Any advise on how to configure that file?
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g=
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> >
> > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich
> > <Darin.Perusich@cognigencorp.com> wrote regarding Re: Pr=
inting on
Star
> > Office:
> >
> > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn=
't just
> > pickup
> > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run
> > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow yo=
u to
> > configure
> > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter =
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> >
> > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print dri=
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> > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generi=
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> > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.=
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> > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks,
> > > > peter@thecybersource.com
> >
> > > --
> > > Darin Perusich
> > > Unix Administrator
> > > Cognigen Corp.
> > > darinper@cognigencorp.com

> --
> Darin Perusich
> Unix Administrator
> Cognigen Corp.
> darinper@cognigencorp.com

--------------=_4D4800E917180860C2B8-- From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 16:02:25 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B5499D1.16761371@phor.com> the generic drivers "should" work, i know i had to use them to configure some hp 8100 printers. > Cyber Source wrote: > > It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is > listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one > puts a new driver on there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star > Office: > > > it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it > > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and > stuff. > > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on > Star > > > Office: > > > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > > > pickup > > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > > > configure > > > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built > in. > > > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the > new > > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not > work > > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have > the > > > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > > > -- > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 16:02:57 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Job Opportunities!] Message-ID: <3B5499F1.669D574A@phor.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A999BEC94060C9EF689B01AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------A999BEC94060C9EF689B01AB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from denali.phor.com (denali.phor.com [216.5.243.200]) by petard.phor.com (Switch-2.0.0/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id f6HJ6rE17811 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:06:53 -0500 Received: from picard.bizchek.com (picard.bizchek.com [208.210.50.206]) by denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6HL1O531507 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:01:24 GMT Received: (qmail 5172 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Received: from corporate.bizchek.com (HELO corporate.chek.com) (208.210.50.200) by mail1.bizchek.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12493 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717200144.12492.qmail@corporate.chek.com> From: "Christine Genek" To: info@nflug.org Subject: Job Opportunities! X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi! My name is Christine Genek, an IT recruiter working with Systems Personnel in Buffalo, NY. We've heard some great things about the Linux User Group and we thought that your members would be interested in hearing about UNIX jobs in the Buffalo market. Systems Personnel provides opportunities to IT professional,at no cost to them, ranging from contract or permanent opportunities. I have been a recruiter for over 5 years and I enjoy the opportunity working with candidates and placing them in positions suitable to their expertise. Please let me know if there is a way to work with the members of the group or post any opportunities on the web site. Thank you in advance for your help and I look forward to hearing from you! Christine Genek Systems Personnel Certified Personnel Consultant Phone:716-677-2667 1-888-297-4825 (toll free) web site: www.systemspersonnel.com --------------A999BEC94060C9EF689B01AB-- From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Tue Jul 17 16:31:03 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <3B5499D1.16761371@phor.com> Message-ID: You can also try the "beta" version of Star Office 6.0, now known as open office. www.openoffice.org > the generic drivers "should" work, i know i had to use them to configure > some hp 8100 printers. > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is > > listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one > > puts a new driver on there > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star > > Office: > > > > > it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it > > > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and > > stuff. > > > > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on > > Star > > > > Office: > > > > > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > > > > pickup > > > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > > > > configure > > > > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built > > in. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the > > new > > > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not > > work > > > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have > > the > > > > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > > > -- > > > Darin Perusich > > > Unix Administrator > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From sonofrage at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 21:29:32 2001 From: sonofrage at yahoo.com (Samuel Morales Jr.) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010718012932.42521.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> If all else fails, you could always print to a PS file and then print it from the command line. --- Cyber Source wrote: > > It does but my printer is not listed there and the > generic that is listed > there does not work at all. I was originally > wondering how one puts a new > driver on there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star Office: > > > > it's the program that you run to configure > staroffice printing. it > > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose > your printer and stuff. > > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > > wrote > regarding Re: Printing on Star > > > Office: > > > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, > it's doesn't just > > > pickup > > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. > run > > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this > will allow you to > > > configure > > > > the printers. it has support for just about > everyprinter built in. > > > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a > print driver for the new > > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. > The generic does not work > > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using > RedHat 7.1. I have the > > > > > printer working fine in other programs. > Thanks, > > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > > > -- > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From javabob at localnet.com Wed Jul 18 04:07:04 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) Message-ID: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> I have been using Linux for about 2.5 years now. It has been almost exclusively. I'm constantly looking for more information on how to install, configure and program Linux and any Open Source software. I keep coming across sequence :-) without ever an explanation to it's meaning. I would like to know in case I'm ever asked. Can anyone help? Thanks, Bob Stockdale IV javabob@localnet.com From kagalle at infoblvd.net Wed Jul 18 08:53:56 2001 From: kagalle at infoblvd.net (Kenneth Galle) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) References: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> Message-ID: <3B5586E4.2FEF6F4@infoblvd.net> It means "smile". :-( frown, ;-) wink etc. Does anyone know if there is a coined name for them? You may also find these interesting (essential): AAMOF: as a matter of fact AFAIK: as far as I know AISE: as I see it BFN: bye for now BION: believe it or not BRB: be right back BTW: by the way CMIIW: correct me if I am wrong FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt FWIW: for what it's worth FYI: for your information HTH: hope this helps IIRC: if I recall correctly IMHO: in my humble opinion LOL: laughing out loud MYOB: mind your own business PITA: pain in the ass ROTFL: rolling on the floor laughing RTFM: read the fine manual SOP: standard operating procedure TIA: thanks in advance YMMV: your mileage may vary Ken "Robert F. Stockdale IV" wrote: > > I have been using Linux for about 2.5 years now. It has been > almost exclusively. > I'm constantly looking for more information on how to > install, configure and program Linux and any Open Source > software. I keep coming across sequence :-) without ever an > explanation to it's meaning. I would like to know in case > I'm ever asked. > Can anyone help? > Thanks, > Bob Stockdale IV > javabob@localnet.com From josephj at adelphia.net Wed Jul 18 09:39:13 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) References: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> <3B5586E4.2FEF6F4@infoblvd.net> Message-ID: <001f01c10f8f$08aa4100$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Galle" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Does any one know the meaning of :-) > It means "smile". :-( frown, ;-) wink etc. Does anyone know if there is a > coined name for them? You may also find these interesting (essential): > They're called emoticons - short for emotional icons. There are tons of them. Check out http://www.ultranet.com/support/netiquette/emoticons.shtml Joe Pollock From Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com Wed Jul 18 12:34:12 2001 From: Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com (Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Message-ID: Actually, this is the same kind of problem that Windows people have when they are switching from WinNT to Win2K. It is such a big issue that M$ has several $2000 courses that cover many of the issues involved in a migration from one system to another. It basically boils down to project planning. What objectives are you trying to accomplish, what is your timeframe, what resourses (money/equpt and personnel) do you have at your command? Give those answers priorties of 1-3 (no duplicates) and your on your way. As far as what is available regarding linux technologies, you seem to be alluding to one of the 'holy grails' of computing, the single log on. There are a couple of technologies for that (and i'm about to exhaust my knowledge) NIS, and Kerberos seem to be the bigger players. There are some 'by hand' solutions you can try, such as NFS and cron scripts to copy /etc/passwd and or /etc/shadow files back to a server periodically, and an awk script or two to parse out the users line to update the server's copy. (i've done this, not recommended if you know as little as i do!, it isn't pretty) There is also Samba, which replicates the functionality of an NT PDC. There is no such thing as a BDC for Samba, because if you are aware of what a BDC actually does in NT, you could probably replicate the functionality with a couple of shell scripts. This BDC won't be able to deal with M$ PDC's. Samba client software could then be used for mounting the Samba shares. Samba and Kerberos are appealing because these can be phased in with little or no immediate impact (except your server up time goes up). BTW, your point on companies adopting linux is well taken. Many Fortune 500 Windows NT shops have still not replaced their NT PDC's with Windows 2000 because the planning/migration can be a real pain. Richard A. Hubbard III MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD, MCT, CLI, CLP,LCI,LCP, A+, Net+,I-net+ Training Manager, New Horizons Buffalo richard.hubbard@nhwny.com phone (716) 681-8500 x2241 (716) 206-2241 Direct fax (716) 206-2222 "Michael R. James" To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Sent by: owner-nflug@n flug.org 07/17/01 08:53 AM Please respond to nflug Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the problems encountered and the solutions implemented. Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. Thoughts, ideas are welcome. Michael R. James, CNE mrjames@localnet.com From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 14:04:16 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops In-Reply-To: <200107171356.JAA16915@allman.localnet.com> Message-ID: <20010718180416.67662.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I'm not feeling well today, but here goes an attempt to put together a cohesive thought process... I worked with a mess of NT systems and Unix servers at UB. We had a system set up where a user could log on anywhere and get access to the capabilities of both NT and Unix things. The key to the whole thing is the ability to replicate mount home directories whereever the user logged in. Start with a good NIS/NIS+ domain with all of your users entered in the database. Remember that your machine names cannot match your user names in Windows space since machines and users live in the same namespace. The next step is to utilize the automounter in Linux/Unix to handle home directories (and application directories if you desire). Make the automounter configuration file an NIS map so that it can be modified in one place. Now you have removed the need for administering password files and home directories on an individual basis on the Linux/Unix systems. Create a global 'local' file system that can be mounted/automounted on all of the unix workstations. Create 'etc', 'lib', 'bin' directories in this tree. The next bit is where you use your enterprise skills to build a global 'profile'/'cshrc'/'bashrc'/whatever set of scripts that each user will get in Unixland. You will modify the '/etc/(whatever shell users use)' on the workstations (probably in your default install process) that sources the files from the '/usr/local' (or whatever you called it) file system. This way, you have a single place to change what the user gets in his startup. This replicates the 'login.cmd' from NT that would be pulled from the PDC. You will probably want to make a spot to stuff applications and make an NIS(+) automounter map to locate programs so that you don't have to install every application on every machine. There are a number of other things that can be done to consolidate the Unix environment that escape me now but you get the idea. You will not be able to get rid of windows for the moment, since there are a lot of apps that your users will want that won't have equivalents in Unixland, yet. As has been mentioned before, set up a Win2K system with Citrix Metaframe and make sure that you have the Citrix client available on all of the Unix machines, either through the automounted utility file system (preferred) or install on each machine. This will enable your users to access the Windows apps that you intend to use. Set up Samba as a PDC on your Unix/Linux server and teach it how to find the users' home directories. You can set up a standard 'login.cmd' to 'net use H: \\sambaserver\homes' to get them automounted on NT. Point the Win2K box to that as your PDC and things should go swimmingly. I would recommend turning on the 'EnablePlainTextPassword' feature in the NT registry or find a way to sync the Linux/Unix passwords with the NT passwords. There are a myriad of ways to do this but I never had the opportunity to try them. You might also want to put roving profiles in the users' home directories, too. Not a hard thing to do in Samba. You can also bind NT boxes to the Samba server using the same parameters and you will have a situation where an NT box or a Citrix connection will look the same. On NT systems, I recommend using Hummingbird eXceed (sp?) as an Xserver that will allow you to remotely display X applications from Unixland to the NT machines. The obvious advantage here is that devout Windows users can be introduced to X apps in a more familiar environment. You can install Star Office with the '/net' flag that will enable you to install the package in an NFS file system that all of the Linux boxes will be able to access. You can modify your system install process with some scripts to make sure that the Star Office icons get put on all of the machines (or you could also make '/usr/share' a mounted file system and put everything there). As for Mac users, I have successfully used the Columbia AppleTalk package to enable home directory and printer access but I haven't gone so far as to try to do any serious level of integration of the Mac environment. This might be obviated with MacOS X :-) NTP is easy to implement. Just make a cron entry to do an 'ntpupdate' periodically and at boot time. As far as BDC capabilities, I'm not sure about newer versions of NIS but Sun's NIS used to support 'master' and 'slave' servers. All replication was pushed to the slave servers and updates occurred on the master. All of the local filesystems, etc. could be replicated to the backup servers via 'rdist' or some such to maintain consistency. As with any enterprise environment, it pays to do your infrastructure design and build first, before deploying too many workstations. It is easier to make changes before things start rolling out as you learn and modify the environment. Start small on the workstation roll out and use the same methods as software development (alpha and beta stations first to make sure things are OK and then deployment). I'm sure I've missed a bunch of stuff, here. Implementation is left as an exercise for the reader :-) Maybe this will get the discussion rolling. Cheers! Bob --- "Michael R. James" wrote: > Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 > users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously > looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience > with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along > > with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control > the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. > Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a > whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a > smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very > > little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. > I > propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both > the > problems encountered and the solutions implemented. > > Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every > workstation > maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, > the > Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with > > Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and > passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS > > server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could > the > NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" > directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. > Printing > is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the > wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely > necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation > wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement > NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and > > implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What > > obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to > Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a > phased > transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. > > Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see > Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all > the > pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated > into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to > this. > > Thoughts, ideas are welcome. > > > Michael R. James, CNE > mrjames@localnet.com > > > > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From robromito at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 14:49:31 2001 From: robromito at yahoo.com (Robert Romito) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo Message-ID: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1782576639-995482171=:46527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. 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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1782576639-995482171=:46527-- From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 17:10:30 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010718211030.1835.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Well, there are a bunch of options. My personal favorite is NextGen computers on Walden Avenue in Cheektowaga. I believe that there is a place called 'TDN computers'. Their phone number is 716.743.0195 and their address is 1000 Young Street in Tonawanda. As a last resort, there's always 'CompUSA' :-). I remember another one off of Sheridan Drive in Tonawanda but I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. I might be able to scare up a spool of CAT5 that I have laying around that you could have some of. Let us know when you get here and welcome to Buffalo! Cheers! Bob Meyer --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Jul 18 19:58:19 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you need some CAT5 cable, I can supply you with some. I "think" I have around 300ft left over from previous work. If you're just looking for a male to male patch cable, then i can set you up. You'll just have to wait until I get back into town. -Rob > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From ccb at acm.org Wed Jul 18 23:21:26 2001 From: ccb at acm.org (ccb@acm.org) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:49:31 PDT." <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200107190321.f6J3LRX16090@memecycle.com> > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into > local shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the > Buffalo Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara > Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network > cable to wire my new place. Cool. I grew up a couple of miles from there around Delaware and Sheridan - a piece of heaven we call Kenmore ;-). No tips on computer stores, moved east a long time ago. Last I looked there was a Mighty Taco at NFBlvd and Sheridan. Go there soon. The Mighty is more important than the Buffalo Bills. Continue east on Sheridan to the intersection of Millersport for Duff's. Don't bother to order anything other than wings. You'll go back again and again. Have you considered 802.11b wireless ethernet? My home rig is an SMC Barricade base station, a wired (100mbps) Linux workstation, a PowerBook (Firewire) with Airport card, my Sony VAIO (Linux) for work, my wife's HP Omnibook (W2k) for work, my son's Win98 box and a crusty old Nec Versa (Win98) that has my 8 years of quicken data. Among my son's box and the miscellaneous laptops we have 2 Lucent Orinocco cards that pop in as needed. There are also 2 spare ports on the base station for dropping in a high-speed connection for things like backups or bulk MP3 transfers before business trips. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb@valinux.com www.valinux.com From josephj at adelphia.net Thu Jul 19 00:29:29 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:34 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo References: <200107190321.f6J3LRX16090@memecycle.com> Message-ID: <002901c1100b$67ec2b20$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Welcome toBuffalo! There's a CompUSA a couple of blocks from your new location on Niagara Falls Boulevard for the usual stuff. For bulk cable, maybe someone else can help. There are several cable venders in town - everything from Graybar to Radio Shack (commercial catalog - not the retail stores). Joe Pollock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Moving to Buffalo > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into > > local shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the > > Buffalo Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara > > Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network > > cable to wire my new place. > > Cool. I grew up a couple of miles from there around Delaware and > Sheridan - a piece of heaven we call Kenmore ;-). > > No tips on computer stores, moved east a long time ago. Last I looked > there was a Mighty Taco at NFBlvd and Sheridan. Go there soon. The > Mighty is more important than the Buffalo Bills. Continue east on > Sheridan to the intersection of Millersport for Duff's. Don't bother > to order anything other than wings. You'll go back again and again. > > Have you considered 802.11b wireless ethernet? My home rig is an SMC > Barricade base station, a wired (100mbps) Linux workstation, a > PowerBook (Firewire) with Airport card, my Sony VAIO (Linux) for work, > my wife's HP Omnibook (W2k) for work, my son's Win98 box and a crusty > old Nec Versa (Win98) that has my 8 years of quicken data. Among my > son's box and the miscellaneous laptops we have 2 Lucent Orinocco > cards that pop in as needed. There are also 2 spare ports on the base > station for dropping in a high-speed connection for things like > backups or bulk MP3 transfers before business trips. > > > ccb > > > -- > Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems > Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 > +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 > ccb@valinux.com www.valinux.com From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Thu Jul 19 10:11:16 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FBD@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> I think the sheridan drive computer store your thinking of is PC Expanders - www.pce.net Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Meyer [mailto:meyer_rm@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:11 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Moving to Buffalo Well, there are a bunch of options. My personal favorite is NextGen computers on Walden Avenue in Cheektowaga. I believe that there is a place called 'TDN computers'. Their phone number is 716.743.0195 and their address is 1000 Young Street in Tonawanda. As a last resort, there's always 'CompUSA' :-). I remember another one off of Sheridan Drive in Tonawanda but I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. I might be able to scare up a spool of CAT5 that I have laying around that you could have some of. Let us know when you get here and welcome to Buffalo! Cheers! Bob Meyer --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From galabad at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 10:49:48 2001 From: galabad at yahoo.com (j j) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010719144948.27437.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> There is a fair sized used/new computer show every couple of monthes: http://www.townofhamburgny.com/events.html Check out Bo Didley tonight!!: http://www.buffalotalks.com/events/cal_detail.cool?event=2311 --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from > Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but > sometimes like to go into local shops. Does anyone > have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo > Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst > around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm > looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire > my new place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to > attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From trek at becon.org Thu Jul 19 11:46:05 2001 From: trek at becon.org (trek) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> <3B5499D1.16761371@phor.com> Message-ID: <3B5700BD.9000409@becon.org> First, you must be root. A user cannot setup or change printer configurations. Then, if your printer device is not listed, you use the generic one, and click on the "connect" button. This links the driver you want to "Generic". You can also install a different driver, as I had to do for an Epson 740, by clicking on "Install New Driver", then given the path to the new driver. Mine are all listed in /usr/share/Ghostscript/5.5/ on my SuSE Linux system. When done, "connect" the new driver to "Generic", then "Configure" to set up for color/B&W, resolution, etc. That's about it, I believe. Star Office does have a good help system, though I find it hard to navigate it. Good luck. Dean Janik trek@becon.org Darin Perusich wrote: > the generic drivers "should" work, i know i had to use them to configure > some hp 8100 printers. > >> Cyber Source wrote: >> >> It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is >> listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one >> puts a new driver on there >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich >> wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star >> Office: >> >>> it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it >>> should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and >> >> stuff. >> >>>> Cyber Source wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Any advise on how to configure that file? >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich >>>> wrote regarding Re: Printing on >>> >> Star >> >>>> Office: >>>> >>>>> printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just >>>> >>>> pickup >>>> >>>>> the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run >>>>> /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to >>>> >>>> configure >>>> >>>>> the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built >>>> >> in. >> >>>>>> Peter Jarzynka wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the >>>>> >> new >> >>>>>> Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not >>>>> >> work >> >>>>>> well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have >>>>> >> the >> >>>>>> printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, >>>>>> peter@thecybersource.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Darin Perusich >>>>> Unix Administrator >>>>> Cognigen Corp. >>>>> darinper@cognigencorp.com >>>> >>> -- >>> Darin Perusich >>> Unix Administrator >>> Cognigen Corp. >>> darinper@cognigencorp.com >> From javabob at localnet.com Fri Jul 20 04:19:16 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) References: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> <3B5586E4.2FEF6F4@infoblvd.net> <001f01c10f8f$08aa4100$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3B57E984.7C991795@localnet.com> Joe Pollock wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Galle" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: Does any one know the meaning of :-) > > > It means "smile". :-( frown, ;-) wink etc. Does anyone know if there is > a > > coined name for them? You may also find these interesting (essential): > > > They're called emoticons - short for emotional icons. There are tons of > them. Check out > http://www.ultranet.com/support/netiquette/emoticons.shtml > > Joe Pollock Thank you. Very interesting. Bob From peter at thecybersource.com Sun Jul 22 16:05:04 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Fonts Message-ID: <20010722.20050400@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800F4E8E008D45558 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X=20 KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in=20 StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter --------------=_4D4800F4E8E008D45558 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fonts

Hello All,

Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter

--------------=_4D4800F4E8E008D45558-- From peter at thecybersource.com Sun Jul 22 16:54:13 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Fonts Message-ID: <20010722.20541300@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800FC667408764A48 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X=20 KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in=20 StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter --------------=_4D4800FC667408764A48 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fonts

Hello All,

Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter

--------------=_4D4800FC667408764A48-- From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 22:23:57 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Fonts In-Reply-To: <20010722.20050400@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010723022357.75569.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem that I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star Office uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying 'cuz a lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd like to be able to port them back and forth. I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it finds /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows sources without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts from an MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I don't know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into that. Cheers! Bob --- Cyber Source wrote: > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From javabob at localnet.com Mon Jul 23 04:00:30 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Fonts References: <20010723022357.75569.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B5BD99E.8A24A01@localnet.com> you might try http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Font-HOWTO-4.html it explains how to make fonts available in X including True Type fonts (TTF) (ie: Windows fonts). Hope this helps. Bob Robert Meyer wrote: > > Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem that > I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star Office > uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying 'cuz a > lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd like to > be able to port them back and forth. > > I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it finds > /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows sources > without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts from an > MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I don't > know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into that. > > Cheers! > > Bob > --- Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From jjneff at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 12:50:48 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010723165048.20013.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, You are in my "neck-o-the -woods" I live a bit further down Sheridan (off of Colvin). I sometimes go to US-Itek on Military Rd. It is West on Sheridan (towards the 190) and a right-hand turn on Military then just a hop and on the left. Check there catalog at http://www.us-itek.com JJN --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 13:21:58 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010723165048.20013.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010723172158.15957.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Hey! That's the one that I couldn't remember, before. Those guys are pretty good but they don't do SCSI stuff at all. Neither does Comp-USA, either for that matter. I know that you can get SCSI from Next Gen and TDN. Cheers! Bob Meyer --- JJ Neff wrote: > Hello, > > You are in my "neck-o-the -woods" I live a bit further down Sheridan (off of > Colvin). I sometimes go to US-Itek on Military Rd. It is West on Sheridan > (towards the 190) and a right-hand turn on Military then just a hop and on > the > left. Check there catalog at http://www.us-itek.com > > JJN > --- Robert Romito wrote: > > > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next > week. > > > > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo > Metro > > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > > place. > > > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly > meetings. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From GunsAndRosses at aol.com Mon Jul 23 13:42:57 2001 From: GunsAndRosses at aol.com (GunsAndRosses@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Linux Question Message-ID: <21.ebfd7e4.288dbc21@aol.com> My name is Ross Kaplan. I am a high school student doing research at polytechnic university in Long Island. This mailing list was recomended by several of the Linux clubs in other universities that weren't able to help me. I am trying to find the process control block of pending functions waiting to execute in Linux. I am also curious to know if anyone knows any good c++ functions that would let a program look at what a sub-program is doing after a time interval has passed with out editing the source code of the sub program (ex: signals). thank you for all of your help -Ross From galabad at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 15:12:37 2001 From: galabad at yahoo.com (j j) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Linux Question In-Reply-To: <21.ebfd7e4.288dbc21@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010723191237.2546.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Is this what your looking for?: http://www.infocom.cqu.edu.au/Courses/aut2001/85349/Resources/Lectures/4/4/ Here is a how-to on process monitoring with links to other tools: http://www.linux.com/howto/Process-Monitor-HOWTO.html#toc6 --- GunsAndRosses@aol.com wrote: > My name is Ross Kaplan. I am a high school student > doing research at polytechnic university in Long > Island. This mailing list was recomended by several > of the Linux clubs in other universities that > weren't able to help me. I am trying to find the > process control block of pending functions waiting > to execute in Linux. I am also curious to know if > anyone knows any good c++ functions that would let a > program look at what a sub-program is doing after a > time interval has passed with out editing the source > code of the sub program (ex: signals). thank you > for all of your help > -Ross __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 23 15:37:05 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Fonts In-Reply-To: <3B5BD99E.8A24A01@localnet.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info Bob. I fooled around with it enough so that I cant start my X now. Im not sure what I did but I have a problem when trying to run setup for X, the mouse config comes up and says that it is corrupt or missing. I follow the prompts but it doesn't fix anything. I have tried a few different things but to no luck. When it boots up in runlevel 5, everything is ok but when it gets to the linux prompt and tries to load x, it hangs and then goes to runlevel 3 and starts shutting down smb, nmb and then tries to start pcmcia, after that it just hangs. Any clues as to how I can restore whatever it is that I did? Ive got a lot of configuration in this one and I would hate to loose it. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Robert F. Stockdale IV Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:00 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Fonts you might try http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Font-HOWTO-4.html it explains how to make fonts available in X including True Type fonts (TTF) (ie: Windows fonts). Hope this helps. Bob Robert Meyer wrote: > > Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem that > I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star Office > uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying 'cuz a > lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd like to > be able to port them back and forth. > > I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it finds > /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows sources > without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts from an > MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I don't > know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into that. > > Cheers! > > Bob > --- Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 23 18:05:36 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Problems Message-ID: <20010723.22053600@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D48011379E00851BE70 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I corrected the problem with the X server. It seems it had a problem=20 with line 5 in the /etc/sysconfig/mouse file making a call for=20 /dev/mouse. I commented out the line and everything works fine. I have n= o=20 idea how that got in there. I read and followed the docs you sent me (or= =20 the link) Bob, and it was very informative. I changed the font path and = included one I needed for the fonts on the windoz partition but my xfs=20 server must not be the one that includes integration with the true type = fonts or something, I will play some more and let you know my progress a= s=20 I know some have expressed interests in this. I am going to try and make= =20 the fonts system wide. Peter Any thoughts, Hints? Will be Greatly appreciated....... --------------=_4D48011379E00851BE70 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Problems

Hello All,

I corrected the problem with the X server. It seems it had a problem with line 5 in the /etc/sysconfig/mouse file making a call for /dev/mouse. I commented out the line and everything works fine. I have no idea how that got in there. I read and followed the docs you sent me (or the link) Bob, and it was very informative. I changed the font path and included one I needed for the fonts on the windoz partition but my xfs server must not be the one that includes integration with the true type fonts or something, I will play some more and let you know my progress as I know some have expressed interests in this. I am going to try and make the fonts system wide. Peter

Any thoughts, Hints? Will be Greatly appreciated.......

--------------=_4D48011379E00851BE70-- From javabob at localnet.com Tue Jul 24 04:44:55 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Fonts References: Message-ID: <3B5D3587.BDBDBD92@localnet.com> Try, tksysv in X, or boot up in single user mode and run ntsysv. If you want to use your terminal don't forget the & after the command. These utilities show what is starting in each run level as well as what gets shut down when leaving a runlevel. Edit each runlevel (esp runlevel 5) for your specific configuration. It also appears as though the pcmcia is being started in runlevel 3, it should be killed. Either delete it or change its name to begin with a k not an s. Hope this helps. Bob Cyber Source wrote: > > Thanks for the info Bob. I fooled around with it enough so that I cant start > my X now. Im not sure what I did but I have a problem when trying to run > setup for X, the mouse config comes up and says that it is corrupt or > missing. I follow the prompts but it doesn't fix anything. I have tried a > few different things but to no luck. When it boots up in runlevel 5, > everything is ok but when it gets to the linux prompt and tries to load x, > it hangs and then goes to runlevel 3 and starts shutting down smb, nmb and > then tries to start pcmcia, after that it just hangs. Any clues as to how I > can restore whatever it is that I did? Ive got a lot of configuration in > this one and I would hate to loose it. Thanks, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Robert F. Stockdale IV > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:00 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Re: Fonts > > you might try http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Font-HOWTO-4.html > it explains how to make fonts available in X including True > Type fonts (TTF) (ie: Windows fonts). > Hope this helps. > Bob > > Robert Meyer wrote: > > > > Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem > that > > I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star > Office > > uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying > 'cuz a > > lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd > like to > > be able to port them back and forth. > > > > I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it > finds > > /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows > sources > > without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts > from an > > MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I > don't > > know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into > that. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Bob > > --- Cyber Source wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > > > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > > > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter > > > > ===== > > Bob Meyer > > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > > 36 Cayuga Blvd > > Depew, NY 14043 > > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From josephj at adelphia.net Thu Jul 26 10:55:27 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Backing up my system? Message-ID: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C115C1.7AC6B9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic question is: = How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* = in a simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my = Windoz system takes about 4 days by the time I get all the applications = and patches etc. back where they were)? I have a dual boot system with Windoz on the C and D drives (hda1, hda5) = and Red Hat 7.0 on 3 remaining partitions. The last and largest = partition is /image. It is currently empty and should have plenty of = room (around 11 gb) for compressed backups of everything else. I am about to install Mandrake 8.0, but first, I want to backup all of = Red Hat (excluding the image partition itself and /mnt) to /image so I = can restore it if I need anything or if I don't like Mandrake, etc. I read the tar man and info pages and tried the following: #bash #backuprh - backup RedHat 7.0 to image partition tar -c -P --preserve --same-owner -S --totals -w -z --file=3D/image/rh7 = --exclude=3D/image -V rh7 / I realize that I need to add something like --exclude=3D/mnt, but the = main problem was that when I ran this it was asking for confirmation on = every file (which would take a few years to complete). Can I just = remove the -w option? I was hoping it would only ask for confirmation = for an overwrite or other problem - not for everything. The bottom line is - How do I make an easily restorable backup of Red = Hat to my /image drive and what do I have to watch for or do when I = install Mandrake so that Windoz and the /image partition are left = intact? Also, once Mandrake is installed, are there any issues related = to accessing the /image partition if I want to extract something from = the archive? As a side issue, the tar documentation refers to a backup script that = should do a lot of this for me, but it didn't really tell me how it = works. Also, it said that the restore script (kind of useful) didn't = exist. What's the story on this? I am big on backups, having been burnt numerous times. I am in the = process of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for = getting it was so I could back up linux and Windoz and restore them if I = have to. It seems like a good idea to backup Windoz partitions from = linux as some sort of image backup because when linux is running, Windoz = isn't, so no files are locked etc. What about various backup utilities like bru and amanda? What's the = easiest way to deal with this and keep it all straight so that when = something breaks and panic starts to set in, there's a simple procedure = to follow to get back to a known state without having to figure = everything out again and worrying that you might leave out some = important data or patches. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C115C1.7AC6B9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic = question is:=20 How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it = *completely* in a=20 simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my Windoz = system=20 takes about 4 days by the time I get all the applications and patches = etc. back=20 where they were)?

I have a dual boot system with Windoz on the C and D drives (hda1,=20 hda5) and Red Hat 7.0 on 3 remaining partitions. The last=20 and largest partition is /image. It is currently empty = and=20 should have plenty of room (around 11 gb) for compressed backups of = everything=20 else.

I am about to install Mandrake 8.0, but first, I want to backup all = of Red=20 Hat (excluding the image partition itself and /mnt) to = /image so=20 I can restore it if I need anything or if I don't like Mandrake, = etc.

I read the tar man and info pages and tried the following:

#bash
#backuprh - backup RedHat 7.0 to image partition
tar -c = -P=20 --preserve --same-owner -S --totals -w -z --file=3D/image/rh7 = --exclude=3D/image -V=20 rh7 /

I realize that I need to add something like --exclude=3D/mnt, but = the main=20 problem was that when I ran this it was asking for confirmation on every = file=20 (which would take a few years to complete). Can I just remove the = -w=20 option? I was hoping it would only ask for confirmation for an = overwrite=20 or other problem - not for everything.

The bottom line is - How do I make an easily restorable backup of = Red Hat=20 to my /image drive and what do I have to watch for or do when I install = Mandrake=20 so that Windoz and the /image partition are left intact? Also, = once=20 Mandrake is installed, are there any issues related to accessing the = /image=20 partition if I want to extract something from the archive?

As a side issue, the tar documentation refers to a backup script = that=20 should do a lot of this for me, but it didn't really tell me how it = works. =20 Also, it said that the restore script (kind of useful) didn't = exist. =20 What's the story on this?

I am big on backups, having been burnt numerous times. I am = in the=20 process of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for = getting=20 it was so I could back up linux and Windoz and restore them if I have = to. =20 It seems like a good idea to backup Windoz partitions from linux = as some=20 sort of image backup because when linux is running, Windoz isn't, = so no=20 files are locked etc.

What about various backup utilities like bru and amanda? = What's the=20 easiest way to deal with this and keep it all straight so that when = something=20 breaks and panic starts to set in, there's a simple procedure to follow = to get=20 back to a known state without having to figure everything out again and = worrying=20 that you might leave out some important data or = patches.

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C115C1.7AC6B9C0-- From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Thu Jul 26 12:57:19 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Backing up my system? In-Reply-To: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20010726165719.5305.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Well, my personal favorite backup/restore for *ix is typically 'dump/restore' (sometimes called 'ufsdump/ufsrestore'). It is designed very specifically for imaging a file system in a manner that will put it back the way it was when dumped. The restore process would be to recreate the partitions the way that they were before the dump (although it's not that critical), mounting them and restoring the filesystem. Pretty simple stuff and not a lot of options. It automatically excludes mountpoints of other filesystems. I've used this many times to recover dead machines that have had their hard drives replaced after failures. Generally, the backup will be 'dump 0uf /usr' for the '/usr' filesystem where '' is the place to put the image. It could be a disk file or the name of a tape drive. 'tar' is generally better for making archives of things that you want to be able to get single files back from (dump will do that although with much more difficulty) and 'dump/restore' is better for rebuilding crashed filesystems in their entirety. I've been around the Unix world for a million years (well 20, anyway) and I remember 'tar' not doing a real good job backing up special files, chasing mounted filesystems, etc. so I tend to still hold those preferences. 'dump/restore' has NEVER failed me in all of the years that I've used it. With a good tape (or CD-R/CD-RW) device and multilevel backups, you can recover the system to any point in time within the limits of the incremental backup schedule. My typical preference is to do a '0' level dump once a month, a '3' level once a week and a '5' level incremental every night. A recovery would take a maximum of 3 tapes/CD sets/dumpsets. You would first recover the last '0' level. If you just did the zero, then you'd be done at this point. Then you'd load the last '3' level. Again, if you had just done the three level, you'd be done. Then load the last nightly incremental. The file system would be restored to the exact point that it was last night when the backup ran. As far as installing Mandrake 8, you will be given the option of how you want the disk layout to look and you will see the current layout. If you've allocated sufficient amounts of disk space for all of your partitions for Linux, then you should be able to keep the current partition table and just identify for the intaller where you want each partition mounted. Hope this helps.... Cheers! Bob Meyer --- Joe Pollock wrote: > Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic question is: How do > I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* in a simple > manner without going through reinstalling everything (my Windoz system takes > about 4 days by the time I get all the applications and patches etc. back > where they were)? > > I have a dual boot system with Windoz on the C and D drives (hda1, hda5) and > Red Hat 7.0 on 3 remaining partitions. The last and largest partition is > /image. It is currently empty and should have plenty of room (around 11 gb) > for compressed backups of everything else. > > I am about to install Mandrake 8.0, but first, I want to backup all of Red > Hat (excluding the image partition itself and /mnt) to /image so I can > restore it if I need anything or if I don't like Mandrake, etc. > > I read the tar man and info pages and tried the following: > > #bash > #backuprh - backup RedHat 7.0 to image partition > tar -c -P --preserve --same-owner -S --totals -w -z --file=/image/rh7 > --exclude=/image -V rh7 / > > I realize that I need to add something like --exclude=/mnt, but the main > problem was that when I ran this it was asking for confirmation on every file > (which would take a few years to complete). Can I just remove the -w option? > I was hoping it would only ask for confirmation for an overwrite or other > problem - not for everything. > > The bottom line is - How do I make an easily restorable backup of Red Hat to > my /image drive and what do I have to watch for or do when I install Mandrake > so that Windoz and the /image partition are left intact? Also, once Mandrake > is installed, are there any issues related to accessing the /image partition > if I want to extract something from the archive? > > As a side issue, the tar documentation refers to a backup script that should > do a lot of this for me, but it didn't really tell me how it works. Also, it > said that the restore script (kind of useful) didn't exist. What's the story > on this? > > I am big on backups, having been burnt numerous times. I am in the process > of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for getting it was so I > could back up linux and Windoz and restore them if I have to. It seems like > a good idea to backup Windoz partitions from linux as some sort of image > backup because when linux is running, Windoz isn't, so no files are locked > etc. > > What about various backup utilities like bru and amanda? What's the easiest > way to deal with this and keep it all straight so that when something breaks > and panic starts to set in, there's a simple procedure to follow to get back > to a known state without having to figure everything out again and worrying > that you might leave out some important data or patches. > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From kagalle at infoblvd.net Thu Jul 26 12:58:13 2001 From: kagalle at infoblvd.net (Kenneth Galle) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3B604C25.D39C38AE@infoblvd.net> Here's how I handle it... Use PQImage or... I'm going to use /dev/hda1 mounted on /mnt/extra as an example. Can be windows or linux or whatever. remount the partition readonly. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/extra -o remount ro or if it isn't / or /usr etc just unmount it <> then copy the whole partition to a file dd if=/dev/hda1 of=extra_dev_hda1.ext2 remount the partition mount -a verify with mount -o loop extra_dev_hda1.ext2 /mnt/image diff -qr /mnt/extra /mnt/image umount /mnt/image optionally gzip the extra_dev_hda1.ext2 optionally split the file into the needed number of pieces: split -b 650m extra_dev_hda1.ext2 extra_dev_hda1.ext2.split. save the pieces off to cdrom. mkisofs -J -r -v extra_dev_hda1.ext2... > makecd.iso cdrecord -dev=0,0,0 -speed=4 -v -eject -data makecd.iso If you don't gzip it or split it up, you can mount the file onto the file system: mount -o loop extra_dev_hda1.ext2 /mnt/image In my opinion, no backup is for sure, unless you verify the contents and test the restore (to a backup machine). Verifing the contents is esp. important with burning cds. Just try that with Windows. I love Linux! If you retore from this, you will need to renun LILO. Makes having a seperate / or /boot partition a really good idea. Ken > Joe Pollock wrote: > > Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic question is: How > do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* in a > simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my Windoz > of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for getting it was so From r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 26 15:07:02 2001 From: r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net (Ronald Maggio) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000d01c11606$27e4b780$48b4fea9@com1computers> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C115E4.9FF8E420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Pollock=20 To: NFLUG=20 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Backing up my system? How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* = in a simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my = Windoz system takes about 4 days by the time I get all the applications = and patches etc. back where they were)? Well joe if I may put my two cents worth in. You sure do have a = project to work on there, I would backup a windows installation as soon = as it was completely set up. ie: applications and patches etc. In my own = experience and from what I have read and I do agree with is that windows = has a decay facture in time something will get corrputed. So it is = inevitable to do a reinstall of course depending on hardware, software, = and or user intrevention.=20 I have thought of backing up a system, but then I've not gotten around = to buying the equipment to do it. Maybe one day I will venture to that = endeavor. Backing up a system for sake of having to reinstall over a = period of days sounds good to me, but I found it cheeper and easyer just = to build a box for each operating system then to think of messing around = trying to backup a multi-boot systems. So let me/us know how you did it = and how well the backup went. 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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 = 10:55=20 AM

Subject: Backing up my = system?

How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore = it=20 *completely* in a simple manner without going through reinstalling = everything=20 (my Windoz system takes about 4 days by the time I get all the = applications=20 and patches etc. back where they were)?

Well joe if I may put my two cents = worth in. You=20 sure do have a project to work on there, I would backup a windows = installation=20 as soon as it was completely set up. ie: applications and patches etc. = In my=20 own experience and from what I have read and I do agree with is that = windows=20 has a decay facture in time something will get corrputed. So it is = inevitable=20 to do a reinstall of course depending on hardware, software, and or = user=20 intrevention.

I have thought of backing up a = system, but then=20 I've not gotten around to buying the equipment to do it. Maybe one day = I will=20 venture to that endeavor. Backing up a system for sake of having to = reinstall=20 over a period of days sounds good to me, but I found it cheeper and = easyer=20 just to build a box for each operating system then to think of=20 messing around trying to backup a multi-boot systems. So let = me/us=20 know how you did it and how well the backup went.

See Ya:)

Ron = Maggio.

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C115E4.9FF8E420-- From josephj at adelphia.net Fri Jul 27 01:17:50 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <20010726165719.5305.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c1165b$7bbb6c00$1c20fea9@buf.adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meyer" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Backing up my system? > Well, my personal favorite backup/restore for *ix is typically 'dump/restore' > (sometimes called 'ufsdump/ufsrestore'). It is designed very specifically for > imaging a file system in a manner that will put it back the way it was when > dumped. The restore process would be to recreate the partitions the way that > they were before the dump (although it's not that critical), mounting them and > restoring the filesystem. Pretty simple stuff and not a lot of options. It > automatically excludes mountpoints of other filesystems. I've used this many > times to recover dead machines that have had their hard drives replaced after > failures. > > Generally, the backup will be 'dump 0uf /usr' for the '/usr' > filesystem where '' is the place to put the image. It could be a > disk file or the name of a tape drive. > Thanks! dump finally worked, though not quite as advertized.... I had to do each directory in my root separately e.g. dump -0Mf /image/bin /bin (I wrote a tiny shell script to make it easy). I couldn't do / itself because /image would try to back itself up and that wouldn't do. Also, it complained that -u was invalid for use with sudirectories so I had to leave that out. I think that means that nothing was written to the backup history file and that I can't do anything except 0 level backups to /image. One puzzlement: My whole hard disk is "only" 30GB, but /usr was broken up into 37 backup volumes! The docs say something about wanting to keep individual volumes under 2GB, but given the size of my hard disk, more than 17GB of which is in Windoz and /image, the fact that my dos partitions were unmounted, and the fact that linux has lots of free disk space there must be some other factor limiting the size of the backup volumes. Any ideas? Joe Pollock From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 27 13:00:12 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: File splitting utility Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD1@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ Ronald K. Wechter NRD Buffalo Assistant Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 From kagalle at infoblvd.net Fri Jul 27 13:09:32 2001 From: kagalle at infoblvd.net (Kenneth Galle) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <20010726165719.5305.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c1165b$7bbb6c00$1c20fea9@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3B61A04C.3D90CA9B@infoblvd.net> I have had good luck using afio. It takes file names to backup on standard input, so you use it in combination with find. find has a -xdev option to limit the find to one filesystem only. cd / find -xdev | afio -o /image/backup.afio Ken > I couldn't do / itself because /image would try to back itself up and that > wouldn't do. From ccb at acm.org Fri Jul 27 13:23:25 2001 From: ccb at acm.org (ccb@acm.org) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: File splitting utility In-Reply-To: Message from "Wechter, Ron" of "Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:00:12 CDT." <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD1@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <200107271723.f6RHNPA01945@memecycle.com> > http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ man split man cat "Old School" Or you can do both sides with dd and small shell loop if you're pathalogical. ccb From josephj at adelphia.net Fri Jul 27 14:48:00 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: File splitting utility References: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD1@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <003701c116cc$a9620f80$1c20fea9@buf.adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wechter, Ron" To: "Nflug (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: File splitting utility > http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ > Thanks. gfslicer looks really nifty. When I get Mandrake up shortly, I'll install it and try it out with my cdrw drive. Joe Pollock From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 27 16:15:26 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: File splitting utility Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD3@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Really - Did not know there were sooooo many splitting utilities out there. COOL! -----Original Message----- From: ccb@acm.org [mailto:ccb@acm.org] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:23 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: File splitting utility > http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ man split man cat "Old School" Or you can do both sides with dd and small shell loop if you're pathalogical. ccb From LawrenceWLove at excite.com Sat Jul 28 05:13:29 2001 From: LawrenceWLove at excite.com (Lawrence Love) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Seventeen years old and state of the art Message-ID: <24507066.996311609311.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Came across this article: Seventeen years old and state of the art Linux is the perfect catalyst for computer recycling By Evan Leibovitch , Linux July 23, 2001 1:43 PM ET Sunday was a time for me to try things that were both old and new. It was my first time making my own sushi, and finally throwing the switch on Mutt, my old-new computer. Old, because it's made up of parts I'd collected over my travels, a product of years of taking what others would throw away. New, because it was being loaded with the freshest software releases. At Mutt's core is an original IBM PC-AT, circa 1984. This box was the last one IBM made a PC standard that the industry adopted, since after this model IBM started its proprietary and ill-fated PS/2 product line. The original machine was equipped with a 6Mhz 80286 processor, a full-height five-inch 30MB hard disk (optional!), and a staggering nine megabytes of RAM (also optional, most of which was added on through an ISA card full of socketed DRAM chips). Backups were done on 5 ?-inch floppies, which (new on this model) had a capacity of 1.2 MB. Given the horsepower needed to crank up current operating systems (let alone any applications) it's reasonable to wonder if anyone was actually able to get any work done on these things. But I well recall that a good stenographer armed with WordPerfect 4.2 could crank out documents of equal quality to what today's bloated Microsoft Office can produce. The trio of WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBASE 2 on top of MS-DOS made for a pretty powerful desktop combination for a generation unaware of the talking paper clips to come. But my goal in Mutt wasn't to run decade-old software. I wanted to see if it was possible to make, using cast-off parts of almost no value to anyone, a computer capable of running the most current software. To do so, I ended up using an old Asus motherboard, a 166MHz Pentium CPU, 96MB of RAM on SIMMs (does anyone remember SIMMs?), vintage CD-ROM and hard drives, a cast-off network card from 3Com and unaccelerated video by S3. Absolutely nothing in Mutt is less than three years old--even the cable used to attach it to the rest of my home network is good old 10Base2 coax. Just about every major computer brand is part of it somewhere. So there I was Sunday, loading one of the most current releases of Linux onto Mutt. I got Mandrake 8.0. which includes the 2.4 Linux kernel and up-to-date versions of most open source applications, up and running with very little effort. The only casualty was an old Dell monitor which refused to show some of its scan lines, and eventually gave up in a loud pop and a puff of smoke. Its replacement, an equally old no-name SVGA monitor, did just fine. To be certain, Mutt is no speed demon. Running some GUI applications requires patience. For all I know, I might still be waiting for Mozilla to load when you read this. But this system is capable of doing real work. Once an app is loaded, it can compose a document or surf much of the Web as fast as hardware of more current vintage. As it is, Mutt is already faster than my NFS/Samba file server and much faster than the system I use as a firewall. This, to me, is one of the most underrated benefits of Linux and other open source operating systems. Linux is driven by users rather than vendors, and many users view software upgrades as a way to move technology forward, and not as an excuse to dump hardware. Have a look at Windows XP or Macintosh OS X. What's the oldest hardware that can run them? Two years old? In the proprietary software world, a system of Mutt's age is a doorstop. In the open-source world, it's slower and relatively less flexible than the current stuff, but hardly ready for the dump. The quality and flexibility of Linux and open source applications are key benefits as developing countries struggle to compete in today's heavily computerized world economy. Levels of technology that are considered commonplace here are simply out of reach for those at average income levels in many developing countries. As I found out on my visit to Jamaica last year, used and older-generation systems are the norm for most smaller organizations in developing countries. Using Linux and open-source applications offers two substantial advantages over conventional proprietary applications. Not only does free software make computers cheaper to buy, it also means that users get the most current software technology. Support for current proprietary software on old hardware is problematic at best. The establishment last week of an Indian chapter of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is just another indication of how well Linux is faring globally, thanks to such advantages. The press release announcing the move says that FSF leader Richard Stallman was "received as an honored state guest by government officials." Coupled with Linux's growing popularity in China and other countries, the numbers of Linux users and developers are ready to take some significant new leaps. And that helps everyone--more developers means more new applications and more participation in existing projects. More users means a larger installed base and increased interest in Linux as a platform by conventional application vendors. In the meantime, I'll be playing around with Mutt and trying out some new software on it. And, by the way, the sushi-making was a success too. Do you think Linux's usability on older computers is a desirable feature? Tell Evan in the Talkback below or in the ZDNetLinux Forum. Evan Leibovitch is Vice President of Business Development for Starnix Inc. in Toronto. He is also a co-founder of the Linux Professional Institute and the Canadian Linux Users' Exchange. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 28 07:08:20 2001 From: r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net (Ronald Maggio) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Seventeen years old and state of the art Message-ID: <002101c11755$9d7c1ba0$48b4fea9@com1computers> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C11734.157F7F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawrence Love Member of NFLUG=20 Came across this article I thought that you might have some interest: Seventeen years old and state of the art Linux is the perfect catalyst for computer recycling By Evan Leibovitch , Linux=20 July 23, 2001 1:43 PM ET=20 Sunday was a time for me to try things that were both old and new. It = was my first time making my own sushi, and finally throwing the switch on Mutt, = my old-new computer. Old, because it's made up of parts I'd collected over = my travels, a product of years of taking what others would throw away. New, because it was being loaded with the freshest software releases. At Mutt's core is an original IBM PC-AT, circa 1984. This box was the = last one IBM made a PC standard that the industry adopted, since after this = model IBM started its proprietary and ill-fated PS/2 product line. The = original machine was equipped with a 6Mhz 80286 processor, a full-height = five-inch 30MB hard disk (optional!), and a staggering nine megabytes of RAM (also optional, most of which was added on through an ISA card full of = socketed DRAM chips). Backups were done on 5 =BC-inch floppies, which (new on = this model) had a capacity of 1.2 MB. Given the horsepower needed to crank up current operating systems (let = alone any applications) it's reasonable to wonder if anyone was actually able = to get any work done on these things. But I well recall that a good stenographer armed with WordPerfect 4.2 could crank out documents of = equal quality to what today's bloated Microsoft Office can produce. The trio = of WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBASE 2 on top of MS-DOS made for a pretty powerful desktop combination for a generation unaware of the talking = paper clips to come. But my goal in Mutt wasn't to run decade-old software. I wanted to see = if it was possible to make, using cast-off parts of almost no value to anyone, = a computer capable of running the most current software. To do so, I ended = up using an old Asus motherboard, a 166MHz Pentium CPU, 96MB of RAM on = SIMMs (does anyone remember SIMMs?), vintage CD-ROM and hard drives, a = cast-off network card from 3Com and unaccelerated video by S3. Absolutely nothing = in Mutt is less than three years old--even the cable used to attach it to = the rest of my home network is good old 10Base2 coax. Just about every major computer brand is part of it somewhere. So there I was Sunday, loading one of the most current releases of Linux onto Mutt. I got Mandrake 8.0. which includes the 2.4 Linux kernel and up-to-date versions of most open source applications, up and running = with very little effort. The only casualty was an old Dell monitor which = refused to show some of its scan lines, and eventually gave up in a loud pop and = a puff of smoke. Its replacement, an equally old no-name SVGA monitor, did just fine. To be certain, Mutt is no speed demon. Running some GUI applications requires patience. For all I know, I might still be waiting for Mozilla = to load when you read this. But this system is capable of doing real work. = Once an app is loaded, it can compose a document or surf much of the Web as = fast as hardware of more current vintage. As it is, Mutt is already faster = than my NFS/Samba file server and much faster than the system I use as a firewall. This, to me, is one of the most underrated benefits of Linux and other = open source operating systems. Linux is driven by users rather than vendors, = and many users view software upgrades as a way to move technology forward, = and not as an excuse to dump hardware. Have a look at Windows XP or Macintosh OS X. What's the oldest hardware = that can run them? Two years old? In the proprietary software world, a system = of Mutt's age is a doorstop. In the open-source world, it's slower and relatively less flexible than the current stuff, but hardly ready for = the dump. The quality and flexibility of Linux and open source applications are = key benefits as developing countries struggle to compete in today's heavily computerized world economy. Levels of technology that are considered commonplace here are simply out of reach for those at average income = levels in many developing countries. As I found out on my visit to Jamaica last year, used and = older-generation systems are the norm for most smaller organizations in developing = countries. Using Linux and open-source applications offers two substantial = advantages over conventional proprietary applications. Not only does free software = make computers cheaper to buy, it also means that users get the most current software technology. Support for current proprietary software on old hardware is problematic at best. The establishment last week of an Indian chapter of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is just another indication of how well Linux is faring globally, thanks to such advantages. The press release announcing the = move says that FSF leader Richard Stallman was "received as an honored state guest by government officials." Coupled with Linux's growing popularity = in China and other countries, the numbers of Linux users and developers are ready to take some significant new leaps. And that helps everyone--more developers means more new applications and more participation in = existing projects. More users means a larger installed base and increased = interest in Linux as a platform by conventional application vendors. In the meantime, I'll be playing around with Mutt and trying out some = new software on it. And, by the way, the sushi-making was a success too. Do you think Linux's usability on older computers is a desirable = feature? Tell Evan in the Talkback below or in the ZDNetLinux Forum.=20 Evan Leibovitch is Vice President of Business Development for Starnix = Inc. in Toronto. He is also a co-founder of the Linux Professional Institute = and the Canadian Linux Users' Exchange.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C11734.157F7F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lawrence=20 Love

Member of NFLUG

Came across=20 this article I thought that you might have some = interest:

Seventeen years=20 old and state of the art
Linux is the perfect catalyst for computer=20 recycling
By Evan Leibovitch , Linux
July 23, 2001 1:43 PM ET =
Sunday=20 was a time for me to try things that were both old and new. It was = my
first=20 time making my own sushi, and finally throwing the switch on Mutt, = my
old-new=20 computer. Old, because it's made up of parts I'd collected over = my
travels, a=20 product of years of taking what others would throw away. New,
because = it was=20 being loaded with the freshest software releases.

At Mutt's core = is an=20 original IBM PC-AT, circa 1984. This box was the last
one IBM made a = PC=20 standard that the industry adopted, since after this model
IBM = started its=20 proprietary and ill-fated PS/2 product line. The original
machine was = equipped with a 6Mhz 80286 processor, a full-height five-inch
30MB = hard disk=20 (optional!), and a staggering nine megabytes of RAM (also
optional, = most of=20 which was added on through an ISA card full of socketed
DRAM chips). = Backups=20 were done on 5 =BC-inch floppies, which (new on this
model) had a = capacity of=20 1.2 MB.

Given the horsepower needed to crank up current operating = systems=20 (let alone
any applications) it's reasonable to wonder if anyone was = actually=20 able to
get any work done on these things. But I well recall that a=20 good
stenographer armed with WordPerfect 4.2 could crank out = documents of=20 equal
quality to what today's bloated Microsoft Office can produce. = The trio=20 of
WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBASE 2 on top of MS-DOS made for a=20 pretty
powerful desktop combination for a generation unaware of the = talking=20 paper
clips to come.

But my goal in Mutt wasn't to run = decade-old=20 software. I wanted to see if it
was possible to make, using cast-off = parts of=20 almost no value to anyone, a
computer capable of running the most = current=20 software. To do so, I ended up
using an old Asus motherboard, a = 166MHz=20 Pentium CPU, 96MB of RAM on SIMMs
(does anyone remember SIMMs?), = vintage=20 CD-ROM and hard drives, a cast-off
network card from 3Com and = unaccelerated=20 video by S3. Absolutely nothing in
Mutt is less than three years = old--even=20 the cable used to attach it to the
rest of my home network is good = old=20 10Base2 coax. Just about every major
computer brand is part of it=20 somewhere.

So there I was Sunday, loading one of the most current = releases of Linux
onto Mutt. I got Mandrake 8.0. which includes the = 2.4 Linux=20 kernel and
up-to-date versions of most open source applications, up = and=20 running with
very little effort. The only casualty was an old Dell = monitor=20 which refused
to show some of its scan lines, and eventually gave up = in a=20 loud pop and a
puff of smoke. Its replacement, an equally old no-name = SVGA=20 monitor, did
just fine.

To be certain, Mutt is no speed demon. = Running=20 some GUI applications
requires patience. For all I know, I might = still be=20 waiting for Mozilla to
load when you read this. But this system is = capable of=20 doing real work. Once
an app is loaded, it can compose a document or = surf=20 much of the Web as fast
as hardware of more current vintage. As it = is, Mutt=20 is already faster than
my NFS/Samba file server and much faster than = the=20 system I use as a
firewall.

This, to me, is one of the most = underrated=20 benefits of Linux and other open
source operating systems. Linux is = driven by=20 users rather than vendors, and
many users view software upgrades as a = way to=20 move technology forward, and
not as an excuse to dump = hardware.

Have a=20 look at Windows XP or Macintosh OS X. What's the oldest hardware = that
can run=20 them? Two years old? In the proprietary software world, a system = of
Mutt's=20 age is a doorstop. In the open-source world, it's slower = and
relatively less=20 flexible than the current stuff, but hardly ready for = the
dump.

The=20 quality and flexibility of Linux and open source applications are=20 key
benefits as developing countries struggle to compete in today's=20 heavily
computerized world economy. Levels of technology that are=20 considered
commonplace here are simply out of reach for those at = average=20 income levels
in many developing countries.

As I found out on = my visit=20 to Jamaica last year, used and older-generation
systems are the norm = for most=20 smaller organizations in developing countries.
Using Linux and = open-source=20 applications offers two substantial advantages
over conventional = proprietary=20 applications. Not only does free software make
computers cheaper to = buy, it=20 also means that users get the most current
software technology. = Support for=20 current proprietary software on old
hardware is problematic at=20 best.

The establishment last week of an Indian chapter of the = Free=20 Software
Foundation (FSF) is just another indication of how well = Linux is=20 faring
globally, thanks to such advantages. The press release = announcing the=20 move
says that FSF leader Richard Stallman was "received as an = honored=20 state
guest by government officials." Coupled with Linux's growing = popularity=20 in
China and other countries, the numbers of Linux users and = developers=20 are
ready to take some significant new leaps. And that helps=20 everyone--more
developers means more new applications and more = participation=20 in existing
projects. More users means a larger installed base and = increased=20 interest in
Linux as a platform by conventional application=20 vendors.

In the meantime, I'll be playing around with Mutt and = trying out=20 some new
software on it. And, by the way, the sushi-making was a = success=20 too.

Do you think Linux's usability on older computers is a = desirable=20 feature?
Tell Evan in the Talkback below or in the ZDNetLinux Forum.=20

Evan Leibovitch is Vice President of Business Development for = Starnix=20 Inc.
in Toronto. He is also a co-founder of the Linux Professional = Institute=20 and
the Canadian Linux Users' Exchange.=20

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C11734.157F7F60-- From gjn at certainlywood.com Mon Jul 30 13:45:15 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Seventeen Years OId and State of the Art Message-ID: <20010730.17451599@gjn.certainlywood.com> AMEN TO THAT! If it weren't for old, cast off hardware, I'd have no hardware at all!! ;-) "My" box: House SMB Server AMD 486/DX4 overclocked to 120 MHz. 32 Meg Ram Newer 6 Gig WD drive ( Warrantee replaced, old one cratered using Win98!) Trident 8900 1 Meg. 14" SVGA Monitor (COLOR AT LAST!!) Slackware Linux 7.1 w/ custom 2.2.19 kernel. Youngest son's box: Gateway 2000 w/ Overdrive 83 (don't divide! Intel inside!) 16 Meg Ram HD had Win98 on it when it was given to me, he likes it, so I haven't changed it. :-P ATI Mach 32 VLB video card Middle Daughter: (under construction ... ) Dell 433L w/ Overdrive 83 Tseng ET4000 1Meg. 32 Meg of ram (Maybe only 16 if the kernel panic turns out to be one of the SIMMs) 500 Meg Maxtor HD. Slackware 8.0 :-) Wife's machine: Cyrix P200+ (WOW!! Nearly fast!) 32 Meg RAM 15 Gig WD HD Mandrake 7.2 . seems OK, especially since I replace the Trident 8900 w/ a PCI 4 Meg card. She LIKES Linux, especially GIMP! "Family" machine: AMD K6-2 400 (Thanks to oldest son going to Duron 700!) 128 Meg RAM 20 Meg Maxtor Voodoo 3 (thanks to oldest son going to Nvidia G-2!) Dual boot Win98 (sigh!) and Slackware 7.1 Firewall: 486/DX2-66 20 Meg RAM (30 pin SIMMs!) 270 Meg Maxtor HD SmoothWall Linux firewall 0.98. (seems to handle the CounterStrike stuff my son does OK) All happily networked together! I love it! I don't count my oldest son's machine. He's a game fanatic and Win98 user only. But built his own box, so he's not too bad. He just thinks I'm a Linux fanatic because I use it and try to avoid M$ whenever possible and not enough games are developed for it! So, that's what we use, and I don't see any major changes in the near future. I found the article near to my heart, but amusing in that I kept thinking "where's he been? I knew that all along!" This is one of the reasons I also like Slackware. Patrick makes it a point to have a distro that will run on anything from a 386/SX on, so I don't have to worry about what old hardware I'm dealing with. ;-) Gotta' love the Penguin! -Greg From r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 31 20:20:29 2001 From: r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net (Ronald Maggio) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:51:35 2005 Subject: Seventeen Years OId and State of the Art References: <20010730.17451599@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <000501c11a1f$c5ba16e0$48b4fea9@com1computers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory J.Neumann" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Seventeen Years OId and State of the Art AMEN TO THAT! If it weren't for old, cast off hardware, I'd have no hardware at all!! ;-) I found the article near to my heart, but amusing in that I kept thinking "where's he been? I knew that all along!" This is one of the reasons I also like Slackware. Patrick makes it a point to have a distro that will run on anything from a 386/SX on, so I don't have to worry about what old hardware I'm dealing with. ;-) Gotta' love the Penguin! -Greg Hi All. Hi Greg Well people I'm toten in a small box with monitor to the next meeting to install Mandrake 8.0 since I'm new to Linux I hope I can get some help from John Neff and the gang. Here is what I'm toten in an Intel P1 200Mhz with the following, Modem: USR 33.600 ISA, NIC Card: 3Com EtherLink III 10 Base-T ISA ( I think?), Sound Card: Creative Labs ES1371 PCI, Video Card: ATI Mach32 (I think 8mg's video ram) PCI, 128mg's PC-100 10ns dimm ram 2x64. All on a Matsonic MS-5120 Motherboard VIA chipset. In a Linux mag I read the stated minimum recommended system was a P1 233Mhz with 64mg's of ram. Well lets see Mandrake 8.0 will install for real on a P1 200Mhz with 128mg's of 10ns dimm ram with the aboved mentioned hardware. Well I'll see ya all there. -Ron From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Mon Jul 2 14:38:13 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:11 2007 Subject: [Fwd: linux-training] Message-ID: <3B40BF95.3EC1C702@phor.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------478EE83527C1FFAA8E64F676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can anyone help this person out? -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------478EE83527C1FFAA8E64F676 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from denali.phor.com (denali.phor.com [216.5.243.200]) by petard.phor.com (Switch-2.0.0/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id f5T1VQZ19621 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from neon.netsync.net (neon.netsync.net [206.231.8.32]) by denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5T1Ti519146 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:29:44 GMT Received: from petiprin (206-159-166-150.netsync.net [206.159.166.150]) by neon.netsync.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5T0UFi11084 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:30:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c10032$9dcb5d80$96a69fce@petiprin> From: "Frank Petiprin" To: Subject: linux-training Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:29:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you know of any inexpensive Linux training in the Western New York = Area? thanks ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do you know of any inexpensive = Linux=20 training in the Western New York Area?

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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C10011.11C742C0-- --------------478EE83527C1FFAA8E64F676-- From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 2 14:44:17 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:11 2007 Subject: [Fwd: linux-training] In-Reply-To: <3B40BF95.3EC1C702@phor.com> Message-ID: How's This: 1) Linux for Dummies 2) BrainBench.com 3) Horizons (in Getzsville) 4) Attend a nflug meeting 5) linuxdoc.org 6) Lure Bob Meyer with Beer & free Mandrake ISO CD's :) > can anyone help this person out? > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From JMcNamara at erie1.wnyric.org Mon Jul 2 18:54:33 2001 From: JMcNamara at erie1.wnyric.org (JMcNamara@erie1.wnyric.org) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:11 2007 Subject: inexpensive Linux training Message-ID: What is Horizons in Getzville? From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 2 19:48:30 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:11 2007 Subject: inexpensive Linux training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From hubbardr at adelphia.net Tue Jul 3 05:38:55 2001 From: hubbardr at adelphia.net (Richard Hubbard) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:11 2007 Subject: inexpensive Linux training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know if we're that inexpensive, however. All of our classes run about $400/day list. (There are various packages that reduce that cost, but not by orders of magnitude). We are geared more towards the corporate client that needs people trained in a short period of time. Probably a better bet would be ECCC or NCCC. Or the good old fashioned way would be to pick up a couple of computers (real cheap used ones on e-bay are a good bet) a distribution and a decent book. Write down all questions and problems in a book, and then go to NFLUG once a month and ask Bob. Besides, the guy at New Horizons will be doing basically the same thing. Richard Hubbard Training Manager, New Horizons CLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Robert Dege Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:49 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From gjn at certainlywood.com Tue Jul 3 11:00:11 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Slackware 8.0 is out! Message-ID: <20010703.15001177@gjn.certainlywood.com> It seems NFLUG uses mostly Mandrake, but as Slackware was my first and still preferred distro since an installation in 1994 on a 386/sx w/ 4 Meg of RAM and a 40 MB hd, I feel compelled to be the "Slackware evangelist" for today: ;-) What I like best about Slackware is that it has always installed on any old hardware configuration I can cobble together, and seeing as my own system at home is based on an AMD-486, that's a major concern! Anyway, here's the promo. Best regards, Greg Neumann _____________________________ Announcing Slackware Linux 8.0! The first major release for 2001, Slackware Linux 8.0 continues the Slackware tradition of simplicity, stability, and security. It is the essential Linux distribution from the team that knows Linux inside and out. Among the many program updates and distribution enhancements, you'll find the two most advanced desktop environments available today: KDE 2.1.1 (with Qt 2.3.1 providing support for anti-aliased fonts) and GNOME 1.4 (with one of the largest collections of pre-compiled GNOME applications available). We include the stable Linux 2.2.19 kernel as well as the latest 2.4.5 Linux kernel, bringing you advanced performance features such as the ReiserFS journaling filesystem and kernel support for XFree86's DRI (the Direct Rendering Interface) that brings high-speed hardware accelerated 3D graphics to Linux. >>From the beginning, Slackware has offered a stable and secure Linux distribution for UNIX veterans as well as an easy-to-use system for beginners. Slackware includes everything you'll need to run a powerful server or workstation. Each Slackware package follows the setup and installation instructions from its author(s), offering you the most stable and easily expandable setup. Here are some of the advanced features of Slackware 8.0: - Runs the 2.2.19 version of the Linux kernel from ftp.kernel.org - Special kernels were prepared to support hardware such as ATA/66 and ATA/100 IDE controllers, SCSI cards, and even speech synthesizers providing access to Linux for the visually impaired community. The proven stability of the 2.2.x kernel series along with Slackware's track record of careful attention to system security make it the perfect choice for running your production servers. - Also included is the 2.4.5 Linux kernel. The latest in the modern kernel branch, the 2.4.5 provides advanced features and hardware support not available in 2.2.19 such as hardware accelerated 3D graphics under XFree86 4.1.0, journaling filesystem support (providing fast and reliable recovery in the event of a power failure), and iptables packet filtering support. - Generic IDE (bare.i) and SCSI (scsi.s) boot images work with nearly all Intel-based (and compatible) computer systems. Additional precompiled kernels (69 varieties in all) and boot images provide specialized support for hardware such as Adaptec SCSI controllers, parallel-port IDE devices, IBM PS/2 machines with the Microchannel bus, Symmetrical Multiprocessing machines, ATA/100 controllers and disk support, and much much more. - System binaries linked with the GNU C Library, version 2.2.3 (glibc-2.2.3) - XFree86 4.1.0 This version of XFree86 represents a major re-design, and brings with it many greatly anticipated new features, most notably support for hardware accelerated graphics using the Direct Rendering Interface supported by the 2.4.5 Linux kernel. The 3D performance rockets past anything you've ever seen before. Gamers, get ready. :) - GhostScript and APS-filter are included to support many common PC printers. Among these are: HP670, HP690, HP850, HP855, HP870, HP890, HP1100 and HP1600 - Installs gcc-2.95.3 as the default C, C++, Objective-C and Fortran-77 compiler. egcs-1.1.2 is also included (this can be useful for compiling older kernels). Also included is the recently released gcc-3.0. - Support for fully encrypted network connections with OpenSSL and OpenSSH. - Apache 1.3.20 web server with Dynamic Shared Object (DSO) support, SSL, and PHP (pre-configured to run right out of the box) - PCMCIA, CardBus, and APM support for laptops. (pcmcia-cs-3.1.26) - New development tools, including Perl 5.6.1, Python 2.0.1, and graphical tools like Qt designer, KDevelop, and Glade. - Updated versions of the Slackware package management tools make it easy to add, remove, upgrade, and make your own Slackware packages. - Web browsers galore! Includes Netscape Communicator version 4.77, Konqueror 2.1.1, Mozilla 0.9.1, and galeon 0.11.0. - The complete K Desktop Environment (KDE) version 2.1.1, including the KOffice productivity suite, networking tools, GUI development with KDevelop, multimedia tools, the Konqueror web browser and filemanager, dozens of games and utilities, international language support, and more. - The GNU Network Object Model Environment (GNOME) 1.4. Includes a full range of GNOME packages such as: abi-0.7.14-2, control-center-1.4.0.1, gdm-2.2.2.1, glade-0.6.2, glib-1.2.10, gnome-audio-1.4.0, gnome-games-1.4.0.1, gnome-applets-1.4.0.1, gnome-core-1.4.0.4, gnome-media-1.2.3, gnome-pim-1.4.0, gnome-libs-1.2.13, gnome-print-0.29, gnome-utils-1.4.0.1, gnome-python-1.4.1, gtk+-1.2.10, sawfish-0.38, gnome-user-docs-1.4.1, gimp-1.2.1, gnumeric-0.65, gedit-0.9.6, gftp-2.0.8, pan-0.9.7, xchat-1.6.4, xmms-1.2.5, xscreensaver-3.32, galeon-0.11.0, gtm-0.4.9, mozilla-0.9.1, nautilus-1.0.3, gnomeicu-0.96.1, and many more. This is the most up-to-date GNOME collection available from any source. - Large repository of contributed software compiled and ready to run. This includes various window managers, support for 3Dfx gaming cards, XFree86 3.3.6 servers to support older hardware, OpenMotif-2.1.30, XEmacs, gcc-3.0, ISDN support, and much more (see the /contrib directory). - Many more improved and upgraded packages, including: devfsd-v1.3.11, e2fsprogs-1.22, kbd-1.06, lilo-21.7.5, modutils-2.4.6, reiserfsprogs-3.x.0j, tcsh-6.10, util-linux-2.11f, apsfilter-6.1.1, cdparanoia-III-alpha9.8, cdrdao-1.1.5, cdrtools-1.10, ispell-3.2.03, joe-2.9.5, the K shell (ksh), mysql-3.23.39, Ogg Vorbis utilities, raidtools-19990824-0.90, rpm-4.0.2, screen-3.9.9, sudo-1.6.3p7, vim-5.8, zsh-4.0.1, autoconf-2.50, automake-1.4-p4, bin86-0.15.5, binutils-2.11.90.0.19, cvs-1.11.1p1, gcc-2.95.3, gcl-2.4.0, gettext-0.10.38, glibc-2.2.3, libpng-1.0.11, libtool-1.4, perl-5.6.1, Python-2.0.1, slang-1.4.3, svgalib-1.4.3, autofs-3.1.7, bind-9.1.2, epic4-1.0.1, fetchmail-5.8.6, inn-2.3.2, iptables-1.2.2, php-4.0.5, mod_ssl-2.8.4-1.3.20, mutt-1.2.5i, ntp-4.0.99k23, openssl-0.9.6a, openssh-2.9p1, pine4.33, ppp-2.4.1, proftpd-1.2.2rc3, rsync-2.4.6, samba-2.2.0a, sendmail.8.11.4, procmail-3.15.1, tcpdump-3.6.1, pidentd-3.0.12, tin-1.5.8, wget-1.7, yp-tools-2.5, ypserv-1.3.12, expect-5.32.1, tcl8.3.3, tclx8.3, tk8.3.3, lesstif-0.92.32, fvwm-2.2.5, xlockmore-5.00, and many more. - Installs to a native Linux partition for maximum performance, or into a \LINUX directory on an existing Windows FAT/FAT32 partition using the Linux UMSDOS filesystem. With UMSDOS, you can install a complete Linux system without repartitioning your hard drive! - Another Slackware exclusive: Slackware's ZipSlack installation optionis the fastest, _easiest_ Linux installation ever. ZipSlack provides a basic text-based Linux system as a 36 megabyte ZIP archive. Simply unzip on any FAT or FAT32 partition, edit your boot partition in the LINUX.BAT batch file, and you can be running Linux in less than five minutes. The ZipSlack installation includes everything you need to network with Linux (including Ethernet, token ring, SLIP and PPP), develop Linux applications with C and C++, and extend the system with additional software packages such as X. A ZipSlack system will even fit on a Zip(TM) disk, so you can carry a personal Linux system with you to run on any PC with a Zip(TM) drive. HOW TO DOWNLOAD SLACKWARE: The full version of Slackware Linux 8.0 is available for free download from the central Slackware site hosted by SourceForge: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/ The ZipSlack version of Slackware can be downloaded from: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/zipslack/ OFFICIAL SLACKWARE CDROM SET: Or, purchase the Slackware Linux 8.0 four CDROM set from Slackware Linux, and help support the Slackware project! This is the official release of Slackware on CDROM, and has many enhanced features, including: - Easy bootable CDROM installation. If your machine can boot a CDROM, just boot the first disc to begin the installation process. - Fully installed bootable live CDROM -- just boot the second disc and run a full Linux system right off the disc, including networking, development, and X with no installation necessary. Makes the ultimate Linux rescue disc! - The ZipSlack edition of Slackware Linux 8.0. - The entire source code used to build Slackware Linux 8.0. - Technical support via our online web discussion forum. The price for the Slackware Linux CDROM set is $39.95 plus shipping. Slackware Linux is also available by subscription. When we release a new version of Slackware (which is typically once or twice a year) we ship it to you and bill your credit card $24.95 plus shipping. Shipping is $5 in the USA, Canada, and Mexico for First Class. Overseas is $9 PER ORDER. There is an additional $3 COD charge (USA Only). UPS Blue Label (2nd day) [USA Only] is $10 PER ORDER, UPS Red Label (next day) [USA Only] is $15 PER ORDER. Federal Express (next day) [USA Only] is $20 PER ORDER. Ordering Information: You can order online at the new Slackware Linux store: http://store.slackware.com Email orders and reseller information: info@slackware.com Or, send a check or money order to: Slackware Linux, Inc. 1647 Willow Pass Road, Box 402 Concord, CA 94520 USA Have fun! :^) --- Patrick J. Volkerding Logan Johnson Chris Lumens David Cantrell Visit Slackware on the web at http://www.slackware.com ! From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Tue Jul 3 14:08:57 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: inexpensive Linux training Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FA9@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> How about this - Instead of paying for training are there any Internship or Externship opportunities out there? Hands on training is one of the best teachers. Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 -----Original Message----- From: Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com [mailto:Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:07 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training part b, new horizons is on genesee in cheektowaga.IKON is in Getzville, and I was their linux/uinx instructor. Richard A. Hubbard III MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD, MCT, CLI, CLP,LCI,LCP, A+, Net+,I-net+ Training Manager, New Horizons Buffalo richard.hubbard@nhwny.com phone (716) 681-8500 x2241 (716) 206-2241 Direct fax (716) 206-2222 Robert Dege ffalo.EDU> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training owner-nflug@n flug.org 07/02/01 07:48 PM Please respond to nflug New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com Tue Jul 3 15:06:40 2001 From: Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com (Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: inexpensive Linux training Message-ID: part b, new horizons is on genesee in cheektowaga.IKON is in Getzville, and I was their linux/uinx instructor. Richard A. Hubbard III MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD, MCT, CLI, CLP,LCI,LCP, A+, Net+,I-net+ Training Manager, New Horizons Buffalo richard.hubbard@nhwny.com phone (716) 681-8500 x2241 (716) 206-2241 Direct fax (716) 206-2222 Robert Dege ffalo.EDU> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re:inexpensive Linux training owner-nflug@n flug.org 07/02/01 07:48 PM Please respond to nflug New Horizons. Just past Millersport & N. Forest, I believe. It's a place where you can go to train & take exams for various certificates, ie: A+, Network+, MCSE, etc. > What is Horizons in Getzville? > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From jjneff at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 12:15:51 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Training Message-ID: <20010705161551.4957.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently discovered a GREAT source of info for a newbie and a oldbie alike. Sometimes it's good for people who have been using Linux for some time to review old and new commands/tools. www.mandrakecampus.com is an excellent easy to follow but very in depth explanation of common and not so common tools ideas and theory of Linux and Unix. Everything builds on everything else and while it may not go into the 100th level of command line switches for every cmd it does give a good idea of what to use a command for and how it's used most often. It can be worked through and small quizzes taken to prove you did learn something. AND IT's FREE!! I Highly recommend it for every newbie and for anyone who may have been using Linux for awhile but grew up in Windows and still "translates in their head" from Windows to Linux. John J. Neff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From intelli at localnet.com Thu Jul 5 12:53:13 2001 From: intelli at localnet.com (Ronald V. Maggio) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Training References: <20010705161551.4957.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c10572$fb7d7b80$48b4fea9@com1computers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJ Neff" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Training > I have recently discovered a GREAT source of info for a newbie and a oldbie > alike. Sometimes it's good for people who have been using Linux for some time > to review old and new commands/tools. > > www.mandrakecampus.com is an excellent easy to follow but very in depth > explanation of common and not so common tools ideas and theory of Linux and > Unix. Everything builds on everything else and while it may not go into the > 100th level of command line switches for every cmd it does give a good idea of > what to use a command for and how it's used most often. It can be worked > through and small quizzes taken to prove you did learn something. > > AND IT's FREE!! > > I Highly recommend it for every newbie and for anyone who may have been using > Linux for awhile but grew up in Windows and still "translates in their head" > from Windows to Linux. > > John J. Neff > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > Hi John. Sounds great. Since I'm still a newbie and would like to learn Linux. I'm happy that there is a source on the net for Linux tutorials. Bob Meyer handed out copies of Mandrake 8.0 the other month and I'm going to install it soon on one of my systems. I was wondering though. Is there a site on the web that hosts tutorials on installing software; and how to install and use Wine to emulate windows programs? Or is the topics I mentioned explained in the tutorials at the Mandrakecampus site? If it is not could you tell me if you know of any sites that my have the information I need to understand how to use Linux as well as I know how to use Windows. By the way when is the next meeting? Is there one scheduled for this month (ie: July) or is there a summer recess? Let me know if so. Ron M. From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Thu Jul 5 13:03:12 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Internships/Externships Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FAA@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10574.5FBDBD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The last email that I sent out asked about any possible internships with any companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting certifications help the learning process but are not as valuable as "on the job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 years of experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships are the answer! I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have "MCSE, UNIX Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group (The group we all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the companies that we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to propse this, or if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this: "Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that can take care of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the Intern gains much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an hour a day, three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State will give certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that provide these services." I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get a few of use to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain companies to see if they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG. Sincerely, Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10574.5FBDBD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Sincerely,

Ronald K. Wechter
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Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo
(716) 551-4901

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10574.5FBDBD20-- From carlyos at Buffalo.com Thu Jul 5 13:34:19 2001 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Internships/Externships Message-ID: <200107051334.AA193331586@mail.buffalo.com> We always have room, and work for interns. What we usually get from schools though are kids that don't really care just come in and leave, or we get kids from U.B. that want to be paid. Hmmmmmm where were the paying internships when I was in college. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wechter, Ron" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:03:12 -0500 >The last email that I sent out asked about any possible internships with any >companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting >certifications help the learning process but are not as valuable as "on the >job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 years of >experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships are the >answer! > >I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have "MCSE, UNIX >Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group (The group we >all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the companies that >we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to propse this, or >if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this: > > "Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that can take care >of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the Intern gains >much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an hour a day, >three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State will give >certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that provide these >services." > >I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get a few of use >to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain companies to see if >they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG. > >Sincerely, > >Ronald K. Wechter >Network Systems Administrator >NRD Buffalo Webmaster >Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo >(716) 551-4901 > > > > From intelli at localnet.com Thu Jul 5 15:24:39 2001 From: intelli at localnet.com (Ronald V. Maggio) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Internships/Externships References: <200107051334.AA193331586@mail.buffalo.com> Message-ID: <000901c10588$2321e6c0$48b4fea9@com1computers> Well Mr.Wechter has a good point. I looked into this also but this is Buffalo and Buffalo thinks that it is still a Steel Town of sorts. Most business in Buffalo will not pay what your worth unless you have a suma-come-loudly plus enough certifications to choke a horse. Even then they pay less than the national average. ( I can only speak from my own experience ) But most people in the IT trade living in Buffalo will say the same. Well that's my two cents worth! Ron M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Yost" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Internships/Externships > We always have room, and work for interns. What we usually get > from schools though are kids that don't really care just come in > and leave, or we get kids from U.B. that want to be paid. > Hmmmmmm where were the paying internships when I was in college. > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Wechter, Ron" > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:03:12 -0500 > > >The last email that I sent out asked about any possible > internships with any > >companies/organizations. Reading books, self-training, and getting > >certifications help the learning process but are not as > valuable as "on the > >job training". I'm sure we've all said "How can I get 3 - 4 > years of > >experience if I cannot get a job in the field" -- Internships > are the > >answer! > > > >I've noticed that many of the email signatures out there have > "MCSE, UNIX > >Administrator, CCNA" -- These are members of the NFLUG group > (The group we > >all belong to). Lets all "Network" together and see if the > companies that > >we work for offer some Intern/Externships. If you have to > propse this, or > >if you are a manager of the IT department, think of this: > > > > "Interns are a source of free (or very cheap) labor that > can take care > >of very basic tasks with very little training. In return the > Intern gains > >much needed 'on the job' experience. It only takes about an > hour a day, > >three days a week, to train an Intern. Also, New York State > will give > >certain awards, tax incentives, and/or perks to companies that > provide these > >services." > > > >I hope this email will generate some responses or at least get > a few of use > >to work on, as a group, a project to speak with certain > companies to see if > >they will provide some "Special Training Incentives" to NFLUG. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Ronald K. Wechter > >Network Systems Administrator > >NRD Buffalo Webmaster > >Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > >(716) 551-4901 > > > > > > > > > From chaz03 at localnet.com Mon Jul 9 14:29:02 2001 From: chaz03 at localnet.com (Charles Rishel) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Large drives Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010709142432.00a06ec0@mail.localnet.com> Hey, Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! Good bye storage problems LOL.. http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard drive space on your file server. :-) Just thought you all would appreciate the link. Bye for now, Charles K. Rishel Chaz? From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 9 14:54:30 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Large drives In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010709142432.00a06ec0@mail.localnet.com> Message-ID: Just image an fsck if you crashed with that bad boy. Hell coffee hour. -Rob > Hey, > > Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY > large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how > they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte > hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! > Good bye storage problems LOL.. > > http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm > > Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard > drive space on your file server. :-) > > Just thought you all would appreciate the link. > > Bye for now, > Charles K. Rishel > Chaz� > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 9 14:59:00 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From carl.luberti at eds.com Mon Jul 9 15:12:03 2001 From: carl.luberti at eds.com (Luberti, Carl) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: I'm not sure exactly what Linux does to set it's clock, but I know that the following does set the kernel clock and the system clock to the same time: rdate -s time.chu.nrc.ca setclock It first sets the kernel clock and then sets the hardware clock to the kernel clock. If you still have issues, you may have a CMOS battery problem. > Carlo Luberti > EDS - New York Solution Centre > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > Amherst, NY 14228 > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > http://www.eds.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:59 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Setting the Date Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From gjn at certainlywood.com Mon Jul 9 15:59:29 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Topics for next meeting? Message-ID: <20010709.19592933@gjn.certainlywood.com> I was just wondering if there are any topics set yet, or if we even need to. I always have lots of fun with X-windows ... can't ever seem to get video cards to actually work as advertised! Also, if someone has any hands on experience w/ configuring SAINT, I'd like that. If anybody's interested, I recently set up a software RAID level 1 on my server at work. I could give you >lots< of pointer on what to avoid! ;-) Best regards, Greg -- Gregory J. Neumann, E-mail: gjn@certainlywood.com Certainly Wood Inc., 13000 Route 78, East Aurora, NY 14052-9515 Tel: 716-655-0206 ext. 206, Fax: 716-655-3446 From gjn at certainlywood.com Mon Jul 9 16:34:32 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: <20010709.20343242@gjn.certainlywood.com> Have you tried hwclock? I'm not sure at all if I use it right, even though the man page is pretty impressive and complete. Usually, I specify the time during the distro installation and don't need to do anything after that. But I have used: # hwclock --hctosys to set the system time from the "hardware (BIOS?) clock" to the "system clock". Notice that the "hardware clock" is different from the "system clock", so it is not at all abnormal, or even unusual for there to be a difference if the system is running for any length of time (say 24 hrs or more). The whole clock thing makes me want to get access to a time-server, run ntp and be done w/ it! ;-) Regards, Greg Neumann -- Gregory J. Neumann, E-mail: gjn@certainlywood.com Certainly Wood Inc., 13000 Route 78, East Aurora, NY 14052-9515 Tel: 716-655-0206 ext. 206, Fax: 716-655-3446 From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 9 22:16:59 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Large drives In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010709142432.00a06ec0@mail.localnet.com> Message-ID: >>From what I have seen of Maxtor hard drives, they should work on performance and reliability first. From working with different hard drives all the time, I believe Western Digital takes the prize for IDE drives and Seagate takes the prize for SCSI's. Just my 2 cents worth....... peter@thecybersource.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Charles Rishel Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:29 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Large drives Hey, Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! Good bye storage problems LOL.. http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard drive space on your file server. :-) Just thought you all would appreciate the link. Bye for now, Charles K. Rishel Chaz(r) From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 9 22:20:04 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a similar problem on a dual boot system, where Windoz was reading time as one time and Linux another. It turned out to be using the GMT time. I played with it a while and finally got both to recognize the correct time. peter@thecybersource.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Luberti, Carl Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:12 PM To: 'nflug@nflug.org' Subject: RE: Setting the Date I'm not sure exactly what Linux does to set it's clock, but I know that the following does set the kernel clock and the system clock to the same time: rdate -s time.chu.nrc.ca setclock It first sets the kernel clock and then sets the hardware clock to the kernel clock. If you still have issues, you may have a CMOS battery problem. > Carlo Luberti > EDS - New York Solution Centre > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > Amherst, NY 14228 > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > http://www.eds.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:59 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Setting the Date Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From intelli at localnet.com Tue Jul 10 08:00:01 2001 From: intelli at localnet.com (Ronald V. Maggio) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Large drives References: Message-ID: <001e01c10937$d9e37ba0$48b4fea9@com1computers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyber Source" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: RE: Large drives > >From what I have seen of Maxtor hard drives, they should work on performance > and reliability first. From working with different hard drives all the time, > I believe Western Digital takes the prize for IDE drives and Seagate takes > the prize for SCSI's. Just my 2 cents worth....... > peter@thecybersource.com > ----------------------------snip---------------------------------------- Hi all:) Well Peter I agree with you that Seagate is likely the best SCSI drive out there. But I have had no problem with Maxtor drives at all. But I speak for myself only. I have though ran into a few problems with Western Digital drives. But for the most part I believe the problem stems from either a bad one coming off the line or user end stupidity. Question? Has there ever been a review posted on the web of manufactures designs and which companies rate better over another? Which models had better performance? If anyone has the information share it with us all. Well I don't have two cents right now but will a nickel do? Yours Ron M. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Charles Rishel > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:29 PM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Large drives > > Hey, > > Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY > large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how > they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte > hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! > Good bye storage problems LOL.. > > http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm > > Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard > drive space on your file server. :-) > > Just thought you all would appreciate the link. > > Bye for now, > Charles K. Rishel > Chaz(r) > From jjneff at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 08:06:08 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Large drives In-Reply-To: <001e01c10937$d9e37ba0$48b4fea9@com1computers> Message-ID: <20010710120608.4764.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Try http://www.tomshardware.com/ pretty much considered the quintisential hardware reviewing (and descriptions and explanations) on the net. It is geared towards overclocking and getting the ultimate game performance. But to that end it has great hardware guides that explain hardware in all it's many faceted wonder in great detail. My favorite article "How to build a water cooled CPU heat sink for under $115!" <-- I'm not kidding!!! JJN --- "Ronald V. Maggio" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyber Source" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:16 PM > Subject: RE: Large drives > > > > >From what I have seen of Maxtor hard drives, they should work on > performance > > and reliability first. From working with different hard drives all the > time, > > I believe Western Digital takes the prize for IDE drives and Seagate takes > > the prize for SCSI's. Just my 2 cents worth....... > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > ----------------------------snip---------------------------------------- > Hi all:) > > Well Peter I agree with you that Seagate is likely the best SCSI drive out > there. > But I have had no problem with Maxtor drives at all. But I speak for myself > only. > I have though ran into a few problems with Western Digital drives. But for > the most > part I believe the problem stems from either a bad one coming off the line > or user end stupidity. > Question? Has there ever been a review posted on the web of manufactures > designs and which > companies rate better over another? Which models had better performance? If > anyone has the > information share it with us all. > > Well I don't have two cents right now but will a nickel do? > > Yours > > Ron M. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > > Charles Rishel > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:29 PM > > To: nflug@nflug.org > > Subject: Large drives > > > > Hey, > > > > Has anyone seen this article? Maxtor is working on creating some VERY > > large hard drives in the near future. I found this article describing how > > they are working with the ATA standards people on creating a 144petabyte > > hard drive (144,000,000 GB). Imagine that!! > > Good bye storage problems LOL.. > > > > http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm > > > > Imagine Linux supporting a drive like that. No more worries about hard > > drive space on your file server. :-) > > > > Just thought you all would appreciate the link. > > > > Bye for now, > > Charles K. Rishel > > Chaz(r) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jjneff at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 08:32:38 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Time on Linux and Meeting stuff Message-ID: <20010710123238.30657.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> >>From what I can recall Time can be annoying on a Linux box becausue it handles it differently than we are used to seeing in the Winders world (for those who don't remember I gained most of my experience in the south thus 'Winders') Winders sets the hardware clock to whatever local time is, whereas Linux assumes that the hardware clock is set to GMT and uses a file /usr/lib/timezone to set the system time to local (ie GMT + 5) This makes it tought to keep the time straight because if you manually set the time and have a slightly off region set the time will change upon reboot. Also setting the hardware clock to local time and the system time to local will cause the time to change upon restart if the region is set. The tools mentioned hwtosys does just that - takes whatever time is on the HW clock and makes the sys clock match but there is the converse systohw(these are cmd line switches to HWCLOCK which sets the Hardware clock) that allows one to set the sys time (with something like 'date'<- sets system time not hwtime) and then set the HW time to that (like a winders box). This info is a bit outdated (1.5 years ago on debian box) and may be change dramatically on the new distros (that probably just set system to hw as a matter fo course to avoid confusion. I saw no mention of GMT installing Mandrake 8.0 Please check the man page for HWCLOCK for a better explanation - I ended up using NTPDATE when I had a cable modem since I also had a bad Mainboard that forgot the time when rebooted:-) This MAN page gives a GREAT explanation for clocks and also explains why a dual boot system may have fighting clocks (VFAT uses HW Clock which may get changed by Linux) Read it -all will be made clear... THere is a meeting scheduled this Sunday (it comes fast when the first day of the month is sat or sunday). Possible topics include... " what I am doing for my summer break" "Where I can get a free 64MB AGP video card so I can play NOLF" "how much wood has that woodchuck chucked?" See y'all there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gjn at certainlywood.com Tue Jul 10 10:45:49 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Time and Meeting Stuff Message-ID: <20010710.14454944@gjn.certainlywood.com> > THere is a meeting scheduled this Sunday (it comes fast when the first day of > the month is sat or sunday). Possible topics include... > " what I am doing for my summer break" > "Where I can get a free 64MB AGP video card so I can play NOLF" > "how much wood has that woodchuck chucked?" OUCH! That's RIGHT!! =O I would've shown up a week late and several dollars short! This weekend will be harder to squeeze in, need to go out of town Friday to Saturday, but I'll try to get there. I'll take "where I can get a free PCI VGA of ANY sort!" XFree86 4.x doesn't seem to like my old Trident 8900 too much! (surprised?) JJ - Thanks for the info on the clocks! NTP sounds like the best way to handle it, if you have reliable, somewhat speedy internet access. I've tried to do that in the past, but couldn't get all the pieces to talk together happy. BTW, the date on the man page is "02 March 1998", so your info remains pretty current. -Greg From gjn at certainlywood.com Tue Jul 10 11:03:10 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Large Drives Message-ID: <20010710.15031000@gjn.certainlywood.com> Nothing scientific here at all, but ... I have a Maxtor SCSI in constant service since '94. I've also had to send back two WD's less than one year old. One Maxtor, too. As a long time Byte reader, I've been keeping up w/ Chaos Manor website, and Jerry Pournelle has shifted from WD to Maxtor in the last 9 months. Said that he's found the tables totally reversed to the point that he no longer puts WD's in anything important. Myself, I'm very leery of these "multiple-of-10-gig" drives. It just seems they're pushing the envelope really fast. I could be wrong, and I'm certainly no expert, but the jump from 6-10 gig to 20-40+ gig seemed way to fast compared to the earlier drive size jumps, and the move to 3.5" platters for "super-sized-drives" makes me pause, too. I keep the home Window$ box confined to 8 gig on a 15 gig. Linux gets the rest, and if anybody needs room on the VFAT, delete "temporary internet files" , mp3's or remove a disk-hogging game! (But don't touch my Diablo II! ;-) ) Seems to work. -Greg From ccb at acm.org Tue Jul 10 11:04:06 2001 From: ccb at acm.org (ccb@acm.org) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Time on Linux and Meeting stuff In-Reply-To: Message from JJ Neff of "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:32:38 PDT." <20010710123238.30657.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200107101504.f6AF46411138@memecycle.com> JJ Neff Sez: > Winders sets the hardware clock to whatever local time is, whereas Linux > assumes that the hardware clock is set to GMT and uses a file > /usr/lib/timezone > to set the system time to local (ie GMT + 5) Linux is actually flexible about what your harware clock is doing but I think this is handled differently on different distributions. My RedHat 6.2 system has a file that describes to the system what you're doing with time - /etc/sysconfig/clock. When UTC=true in the file, Linux assumes that the system clock is giving GMT time. If you are running your system in a dual-boot configuration, you're better off setting UTC=false and letting Winders do what it can't help doing to your clock. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb@valinux.com www.valinux.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Tue Jul 10 13:37:37 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. After doing some research, this is what I found: On a Redhat/Mandrake, the date is initially set in a file called /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit About 2 pages down, it executes a command /sbin/hwclock -htctosys. It also has a few extra parameters that references the file /etc/sysconfig/clock. -Rob > I had a similar problem on a dual boot system, where Windoz was reading time > as one time and Linux another. It turned out to be using the GMT time. I > played with it a while and finally got both to recognize the correct time. > peter@thecybersource.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Luberti, Carl > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:12 PM > To: 'nflug@nflug.org' > Subject: RE: Setting the Date > > I'm not sure exactly what Linux does to set it's clock, but I know that the > following does set the kernel clock and the system clock to the same time: > > rdate -s time.chu.nrc.ca > setclock > > It first sets the kernel clock and then sets the hardware clock to the > kernel clock. If you still have issues, you may have a CMOS battery > problem. > > > Carlo Luberti > > EDS - New York Solution Centre > > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > > Amherst, NY 14228 > > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > > http://www.eds.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:59 PM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Setting the Date > > > > Does anyone know how linux determines the date upon bootup? I thought it > was from the BIOS, but apparantly not, since I have conflicting times. > > Any direction towards the script, or command used is appreciated. > > Dege > > Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but > they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From keg at adelphia.net Tue Jul 10 16:57:37 2001 From: keg at adelphia.net (Kevin E. Glosser) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date References: Message-ID: <002401c10982$f43691e0$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> Listening to this thread I wonder...what happens on a multi BIOS motherboard with possibly multiple CMOS? Is it possible to have different system clock settings that way? Just wondering out loud. :) KEG From gjn at certainlywood.com Wed Jul 11 10:05:49 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date Message-ID: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> > Listening to this thread I wonder...what happens on a multi BIOS motherboard > with possibly multiple CMOS? Is it possible to have different system clock > settings that way? > Just wondering out loud. :) > KEG I can't even keep ONE BIOS straight! Multiple BIOS's would fry what remains of "the little gray cells"! :-) -Greg BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't window$, they have no clue! From jbielli at netsos.com Wed Jul 11 11:53:36 2001 From: jbielli at netsos.com (Joe Bielli) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date References: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <000f01c10a21$a5143cd0$07437fcf@NETSOS.COM> > BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux > router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of > solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't > window$, they have no clue! > Not only do they not have a clue, but I'm pretty sure they don't appreciate consumers using any sort of routing/nat devices on their (crappy, imho) network. An aquaintence once told me that he had to sign something given to him by adelphia that stated he would not run any type of server os on their network (including but not limited to NT4/*nix). Back in the day we used to build really nice ipmasq linux boxes for 'sharing the wealth'.. but cheap devices like the BEFSR11 (www.linksys.com) put me and some friends out of business :) cheers, Joseph Bielli From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 12:21:31 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <20010711162131.54044.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Gregory J.Neumann" wrote: > BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux > router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of > solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't > window$, they have no clue! I do exactly that at home. I have a junk machine that is configured to start up in init level 3 (no X) and I have it doing ipchains to firewall/masquerade. We have a Coyote Linux box set up for the group that we connect to a similar kind of setup in the Towers. Work fine, last long time... The tech support guys are funny. I had the installer going when he showed up. He essentially just stood there and watched while I set everything up. He said: "I've heard that people could do this, I never saw it before now..." cool stuff Bob ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gjn at certainlywood.com Wed Jul 11 14:30:02 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Adelphia rambling Message-ID: <20010711.18300256@gjn.certainlywood.com> Bob wrote: > I do exactly that at home. I have a junk machine that is configured to start > up in init level 3 (no X) and I have it doing ipchains to firewall/masquerade. > We have a Coyote Linux box set up for the group that we connect to a similar > kind of setup in the Towers. Work fine, last long time... > The tech support guys are funny. I had the installer going when he showed up. > He essentially just stood there and watched while I set everything up. He > said: "I've heard that people could do this, I never saw it before now..." > cool stuff > Bob Same thing here. The guy walked in, I handed him the RJ45 cable end and said, "All set. What are the DNS and DHCP settings?" He didn't know ("I'm just an installer ...") and insisted that he had to connect it to ONE Win9x computer only, so I shuffled the cables, he was happy. After he walked out, I moved the cable to the firewall, and everybody was happy! I read the service contract 5 times that day, and as long as I don't export services off the premises, and don't expect tech support, what I do w/ the signal after it leaves the "surfboard" is my business. I've actually had fairly good luck. But tech support doesn't seem to know stuff like "DHCP server" and "primary DNS". They may not be allowed to give that stuff out? When they crash and burn, that's the only real trouble I have. Adelphia seems to have an annoying habit of changing things just enough when they get back up that I have to go through and reconfigure stuff. Like good(?) ol' M$, they seem to want to be able to exercise control over your computer when you're not looking and they want to keep the stuff "great-big-magic-you-can-no-understand"! Linksys really put the damper on the home Linux routers, but I always wonder about a "black box" thing like that. Still, it beats being part of Adelphia's big happy "Network Neighborhood"! ("Please disable file and print sharing ...") When it works, it works well! Last night I got the ISO's for >Slackware< 8.0 while my oldest son was either kicking or getting kicked in butt in CounterStrike and middle daughter was IM'ing 6 people. Pretty nice. I don't think our "node" is terribly populated, though. BTW, If all works well, I've managed to clear my schedule w/ SWMBO for the meeting Sunday. Anybody between Holland and Buffalo via 400 and near the route need a ride? Best regards, Greg From carlyos at Buffalo.com Wed Jul 11 15:01:37 2001 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Verizon DSL Message-ID: <200107111501.AA110232220@mail.buffalo.com> Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... Thanks Carl Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Wed Jul 11 15:13:43 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: jumpstart server info Message-ID: <3B4CA567.41B514DC@phor.com> hello, if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some questions of someone who has done this before. thanks -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Jul 11 15:35:51 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Verizon DSL In-Reply-To: <200107111501.AA110232220@mail.buffalo.com> Message-ID: Can you keep me posted on your progress? I will be moving into the Buffalo area in September & plan on using Verizon DSL. -Rob > Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... > > > Thanks > > Carl > > Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From jbielli at netsos.com Wed Jul 11 15:36:43 2001 From: jbielli at netsos.com (Joe Bielli) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Verizon DSL References: <200107111501.AA110232220@mail.buffalo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c10a40$d117d7f0$07437fcf@NETSOS.COM> You need a PPPoE client for linux, as well as your username/password you received when you signed up. Generally most newer distributions come prepackaged with one.. or of course you could find one @ ftp.cse.buffalo.edu Joe Bielli Computer SOS, inc. 1780 Wehrle Drive Williamsville, NY 14221 P:// 716.635.0086 E:// jbielli@netsos.com > Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... > > > Thanks > > Carl > > Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! > From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Jul 11 15:39:11 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Adelphia rambling In-Reply-To: <20010711.18300256@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: >>From my visit with the Adelphia guys: 24.48.33.2 - Primary (alpha.buf.adelphia.net) 24.48.33.3 - Secondary (omega.buf.adelphia.net) 24.48.33.1 - Gateway Appropriately named of course :) I must say that when the Adelphia guys came over, they were actually intruiged about my linux box & wanted to watch it bootup & obtain the IP address automatically. They heard alot of this thing called "Linux" & wanted to see what it looked like. -Rob > Same thing here. The guy walked in, I handed him the RJ45 cable end and > said, "All set. What are the DNS and DHCP settings?" He didn't know > ("I'm just an installer ...") and insisted that he had to connect it to > ONE Win9x computer only, so I shuffled the cables, he was happy. After > he walked out, I moved the cable to the firewall, and everybody was > happy! > > I read the service contract 5 times that day, and as long as I don't > export services off the premises, and don't expect tech support, what I > do w/ the signal after it leaves the "surfboard" is my business. I've > actually had fairly good luck. But tech support doesn't seem to know > stuff like "DHCP server" and "primary DNS". They may not be allowed to > give that stuff out? When they crash and burn, that's the only real > trouble I have. Adelphia seems to have an annoying habit of changing > things just enough when they get back up that I have to go through and > reconfigure stuff. Like good(?) ol' M$, they seem to want to be able to > exercise control over your computer when you're not looking and they want > to keep the stuff "great-big-magic-you-can-no-understand"! > > Linksys really put the damper on the home Linux routers, but I always > wonder about a "black box" thing like that. Still, it beats being part > of Adelphia's big happy "Network Neighborhood"! ("Please disable file > and print sharing ...") > > When it works, it works well! Last night I got the ISO's for >Slackware< > 8.0 while my oldest son was either kicking or getting kicked in butt in > CounterStrike and middle daughter was IM'ing 6 people. Pretty nice. I > don't think our "node" is terribly populated, though. > > BTW, If all works well, I've managed to clear my schedule w/ SWMBO for > the meeting Sunday. Anybody between Holland and Buffalo via 400 and near > the route need a ride? > > Best regards, > Greg > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 15:40:41 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: jumpstart server info In-Reply-To: <3B4CA567.41B514DC@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010711194041.1580.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I don't see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. Cheers! Bob --- Darin Perusich wrote: > hello, > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > questions of someone who has done this before. > > thanks > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From carlyos at Buffalo.com Wed Jul 11 16:22:07 2001 From: carlyos at Buffalo.com (Carl Yost) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Verizon DSL Message-ID: <200107111622.AA192479728@mail.buffalo.com> Joe, Thanks for the info I will give that a try tonight :) Appreciate it...... I will let everyone know my success for their info also. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Joe Bielli" Reply-To: nflug@nflug.org Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:36:43 -0400 >You need a PPPoE client for linux, as well as your username/password you >received when you signed up. Generally most newer distributions come >prepackaged with one.. or of course you could find one @ ftp.cse.buffalo.edu > >Joe Bielli >Computer SOS, inc. >1780 Wehrle Drive >Williamsville, NY 14221 >P:// 716.635.0086 >E:// jbielli@netsos.com > > > > >> Ok my cable sucked, I am close to my CO so I got Verizon DSL. It is stable >and as fast as it should be. My question is though does anyone have it, or >seen a RAS client you can use for linux to get it to connect? (Verizon use's >a ras client to make the dsl connection, instead of your nic picking up an >ip from a dhcp server). Any info would be helpful.... >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Carl >> >> Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! >> > > Buffalo.com(SM) - WNY's #1 Website! From keg at adelphia.net Wed Jul 11 21:30:42 2001 From: keg at adelphia.net (Kevin E. Glosser) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Setting the Date References: <20010711.14054919@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <001e01c10a72$44837560$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> > BTW, I notice the "adelphia.net" address, do you use any sort of Linux > router to "share the wealth" around the house? I've a couple of > solutions that work, but don't call their tech support!! If it ain't > window$, they have no clue! I use a Linksys 4 port router to share my cable modem amongst 4 pc's. I would use a linux box + to do it, but I was given the router and it works very well. It is hard to argue against it, it is so brain dead easy to setup, flexible and not that expensive. I've had the router for 1 year now, the cable modem 4 years I believe. I have recommended the Linksys router to several people and so far noone has had any issue with one that I know. Now, they make a 8 port version. I also understand there is a wireless version. Someone I work with recently got one of those. I await to here how well it works and holds up. As for Adelphia, they suck. The service is ok, the technical support blows. Everytime I call them to alert them of a issue, I have to convince them I didn't out of the blue decide to completely screw up my network configuration. Oh and they won't help you if you have a router. It's obviously the router that is the cause of all Adelphia technical difficulties, you see. So you can temporarily remove it from the equation or lie to them. The router has the ability to spoof a MAC address. So, if you are paranoid you can make the router look like the NIC they give you when you sign up for the service. KEG From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Jul 12 08:32:16 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: <001e01c10a72$44837560$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Hello All, Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Thu Jul 12 09:18:25 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions References: Message-ID: <3B4DA3A1.B5585797@phor.com> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, /mnt/jaz ./etc. /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 that should do it for you. Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Jul 12 09:23:24 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:12 2007 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: <3B4DA3A1.B5585797@phor.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I will give that a try and let you know how I make out. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin Perusich Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, /mnt/jaz ./etc. /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 that should do it for you. Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Thu Jul 12 13:38:02 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Setting the Date In-Reply-To: <001e01c10a72$44837560$6401a8c0@adelphia.net> Message-ID: You say this assuming that they're smart enough to look for that. I have complete faith in Adelphia's ladder to success. You don't get fired or demoted, you get transferred to the Tech support division :) -Rob > So you can temporarily remove it from the equation or lie to them. The > router has the ability to spoof a MAC address. So, if you are paranoid you > can make the router look like the NIC they give you when you sign up for the > service. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From peter at thecybersource.com Thu Jul 12 21:12:25 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: <3B4DA3A1.B5585797@phor.com> Message-ID: Hello Darin, Thanks for the info, it works great. Now, 1 other problem if you could help, I have a burner that I like to play cd's on because my other high speed drive has a tendency to skip. On Mandrake, I could at least play the cd's on the high speed drive but on RedHat, I can't listen to any audio cd on either drive, the burner or the regular cd-rom drive. Both cd players will mount data cd's but not audio cd's. I have played around a little with trying to mount as a scsi device (even though its ide but that's what I have read) to no avail. I am wondering if the problem has to do with the file system mount (fs). I have been using iso9660, any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin Perusich Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, /mnt/jaz ./etc. /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 that should do it for you. Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box with > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the ISO's. > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Thu Jul 12 21:45:51 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you're supposed to mount audio CD's. CD Players just directly query the device from the /dev/ directory. What you can try doing is create a soft link in /dev from you CD-Rom device -> /dev/cdrom Most commonly, SCSI CD-Roms start off as scd0. IDE CD-Roms are dependant upon the IDE Controller it's on & Master/Slave. ie: cd /dev ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom or cd /dev ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom Hope this gives you a direction to work with. -Rob > Hello Darin, > Thanks for the info, it works great. Now, 1 other problem if you could > help, I have a burner that I like to play cd's on because my other high > speed drive has a tendency to skip. On Mandrake, I could at least play the > cd's on the high speed drive but on RedHat, I can't listen to any audio cd > on either drive, the burner or the regular cd-rom drive. Both cd players > will mount data cd's but not audio cd's. I have played around a little with > trying to mount as a scsi device (even though its ide but that's what I have > read) to no avail. I am wondering if the problem has to do with the file > system mount (fs). I have been using iso9660, any suggestions? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin > Perusich > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions > > mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as > the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look > like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, > /mnt/jaz ./etc. > > > /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 > > that should do it for you. > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box > with > > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the > ISO's. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From crishel at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 07:37:09 2001 From: crishel at hotmail.com (Charles R) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: DOH!! Can someone help me here?? Message-ID: Hey guys, I have tried to post to the group for the past 3 days, and none of my email's seem to be making it to the group. I think I know what the problem is, but I am not getting any returned messages or anything. They are just disappearing into cyber-space. I think it may be the fact that I have Adelphia for my internet connection now, and it seems one of the mail servers is on a spam-blocking list, and therefore there are numerous domains in which email will not be accepted. Who is in charge of the mail-list now? Could you check just to make sure that my alternate email address 'chaz03@localnet.com' is still on the list. I didn't use my dialup to send the messages, therefore they went through the Adelphia servers, and I think they got vanished on me. I would appreciate it if someone could check just to make sure that I am still on the list. My email acct is setup to use my localnet address and everything, but outgoing email has to go through Adelphia, or I have to email from my workstation that still has dial-out capabilities. So that is why I think it may be being blocked. Dont know if anyone will be able to see this from that end or not, but appreciated the time spent to check for me. Guess I will know if this message shows up on the list ;-) Thanks, Charles K. Rishel Chaz? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From crishel at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 07:42:40 2001 From: crishel at hotmail.com (Charles R) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: DOH!! Can someone help me here?? Message-ID: Well, that answers MANY questions, now doesn't it. :-) At least I know that I have not gone completely insane. Chaz? >From: "Charles R" >Reply-To: nflug@nflug.org >To: nflug@nflug.org >Subject: DOH!! Can someone help me here?? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:37:09 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [24.48.58.161] >Received: from [216.5.243.200] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD17F0DF002C40043196D805F3C899490; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:40:16 -0700 >Received: (from smadmin@localhost)by denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED >ACCESS/8.11.2) id f6D8atE28580for nflug-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:36:55 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18])by >denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6D8as520111for >; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:36:54 GMT >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:37:10 -0700 >Received: from 24.48.58.161 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, >13 Jul 2001 07:37:09 GMT >>From owner-nflug@nflug.org Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:40:44 -0700 >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 07:37:10.0307 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A0142F30:01C10B6E] >Sender: owner-nflug@nflug.org >Precedence: bulk > >Hey guys, > >I have tried to post to the group for the past 3 days, and none of my >email's seem to be making it to the group. I think I know what the problem >is, but I am not getting any returned messages or anything. They are just >disappearing into cyber-space. I think it may be the fact that I have >Adelphia for my internet connection now, and it seems one of the mail >servers is on a spam-blocking list, and therefore there are numerous >domains >in which email will not be accepted. Who is in charge of the mail-list >now? > Could you check just to make sure that my alternate email address >'chaz03@localnet.com' is still on the list. I didn't use my dialup to send >the messages, therefore they went through the Adelphia servers, and I think >they got vanished on me. I would appreciate it if someone could check just >to make sure that I am still on the list. > My email acct is setup to use my localnet address and everything, but >outgoing email has to go through Adelphia, or I have to email from my >workstation that still has dial-out capabilities. So that is why I think >it >may be being blocked. Dont know if anyone will be able to see this from >that end or not, but appreciated the time spent to check for me. Guess I >will know if this message shows up on the list ;-) > >Thanks, >Charles K. Rishel >Chaz? >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From crishel at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 07:50:15 2001 From: crishel at hotmail.com (Charles R) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Don't need help Message-ID: Hey again, Well, I used the 'which' command to find that I still am listed for the nflug list, therefore it is most likely what I suspected all along. No need to check that for me. Does anyone know if you would see my email being blocked? I thought I would get a rejection notice, but no such luck. Oh well, onward and upward, I will check via Hotmail for now. Thanks again, Chaz? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Fri Jul 13 07:41:25 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Don't need help References: Message-ID: <3B4EDE65.66415B35@phor.com> being the list moderater i recieve any and all email messages that are sent from non-members, messages with attachments that are too large, address that can't be resolved, accounts where quotas are filled, etc, etc, etc. i do recall that a month or so ago all messages to your account where being returned to sender. i don't recall the reason but it was probably one of the abover mentioned, since they are the most common. usually when this happens i let it go for awhile but i can't let it go forever. i send a message out to the list asking if anyone knows that person and if they don't i remove them from the list. Charles R wrote: > > Hey again, > > Well, I used the 'which' command to find that I still am listed for the > nflug list, therefore it is most likely what I suspected all along. No need > to check that for me. Does anyone know if you would see my email being > blocked? I thought I would get a rejection notice, but no such luck. Oh > well, onward and upward, I will check via Hotmail for now. > > Thanks again, > Chaz? > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From peter at thecybersource.com Fri Jul 13 09:09:25 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Mounting Windows Partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Rob, Talk about over thinking the problem. I have 2 cd players and the cd player was looking at the other drive, which is the master on the channel, I changed it and now it works fine. I was unaware that you could not mount an audio cd. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Robert Dege Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:46 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: RE: Mounting Windows Partitions Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you're supposed to mount audio CD's. CD Players just directly query the device from the /dev/ directory. What you can try doing is create a soft link in /dev from you CD-Rom device -> /dev/cdrom Most commonly, SCSI CD-Roms start off as scd0. IDE CD-Roms are dependant upon the IDE Controller it's on & Master/Slave. ie: cd /dev ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom or cd /dev ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom Hope this gives you a direction to work with. -Rob > Hello Darin, > Thanks for the info, it works great. Now, 1 other problem if you could > help, I have a burner that I like to play cd's on because my other high > speed drive has a tendency to skip. On Mandrake, I could at least play the > cd's on the high speed drive but on RedHat, I can't listen to any audio cd > on either drive, the burner or the regular cd-rom drive. Both cd players > will mount data cd's but not audio cd's. I have played around a little with > trying to mount as a scsi device (even though its ide but that's what I have > read) to no avail. I am wondering if the problem has to do with the file > system mount (fs). I have been using iso9660, any suggestions? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Darin > Perusich > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Re: Mounting Windows Partitions > > mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk will mount the filesystem, as long as > the windows fs is the first one on the disk. the fstab entry should look > like. /mnt/disk is a directory that i make, as well as /mnt/zip, > /mnt/jaz ./etc. > > > /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk vfat defaults 1 2 > > that should do it for you. > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me how to mount my windoz partitions on a dual boot box > with > > RedHat 7.1. I had Mandrake 8.0 on before and it mounted them automatically > > but I wanted to play with RedHat a little more since I downloaded the > ISO's. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know, I will most likely be attending > > this weekends meeting. I should have looked at Mandrakes /etc/fstab (I > > believe this would be the file to look at) file before I put on RedHat. > > Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com > > p.s. The windoz partition(s) are on hda and the Linux partitions on hdb. > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Fri Jul 13 09:20:33 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: jumpstart server info References: <20010711194041.1580.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B4EF5A1.55BA65BB@phor.com> since this is my first time playing with jumpstart server i've stepped back to getting it to work with bootp first. i contact sun about the dhcp install and, suprise suprise they don't have much experience using dhcp. the sent me one of those uncontrolled documents on how to get it working, but they can't support it then though it was written by sun. when using the bootp it's booting over the network but it's not reading the sysidcfg file i created, and then it can't find the rules.ok file either. when i ran the add_install_client script i told it where to find all this stuff but it's like it ignoring it. i'm going to keep beating on it, i figure that it will eventually submit to my hammering. if you have any pointers let me know. thanks Robert Meyer wrote: > > I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I don't > see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. > > Cheers! > > Bob > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > hello, > > > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > > questions of someone who has done this before. > > > > thanks > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Fri Jul 13 11:33:06 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: CD-Burner Message-ID: I have a SCSI CD-Burner at work. I just recompiled my kernel to & now it doesn't work. Does anybody know what kernel extensions need to be enabled for it to work correctly? I am able to use it as a standard CD-Rom (mounting, audio & such), but I can no longer burn. If I boot back to the older kernel, that feature is restored. So I know it's the kernel. Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 13:56:22 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: CD-Burner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010713175622.49176.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> In addition to the scsi driver that you install for your controller, you typically install 'sd' drivers for disks and 'sr' for CDROM and 'st' for tape. If you also add the 'sg' drivers, you will be able to burn again. In fact, if you compiled everything as modules, 'modprobe sg' should install the CD-R driver and it should find the writer. Let me know if this is the problem Cheers! Bob --- Robert Dege wrote: > > I have a SCSI CD-Burner at work. I just recompiled my kernel to & now > it doesn't work. Does anybody know what kernel extensions need to be > enabled for it to work correctly? > > I am able to use it as a standard CD-Rom (mounting, audio & such), but I > can no longer burn. If I boot back to the older kernel, that feature is > restored. So I know it's the kernel. > > > Dege > > Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but > they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 13 14:12:33 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB8@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BC7.63280890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BC7.63280890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :)

Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform?

Ronald K. Wechter
Network Systems Administrator
NRD Buffalo Webmaster
Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo
(716) 551-4901

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BC7.63280890-- From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Fri Jul 13 14:49:29 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB8@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: I am not aware of any GNU utils that provide this function. I only know of 2 programs that perform this function.... Winzip & zip2exe.exe, both of which only run on Windows. The only way that I can think of would be to run either of these programs through an emulator like Wine, or something like that. -Rob > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > Ronald K. Wechter > Network Systems Administrator > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > (716) 551-4901 > > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 14:51:23 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: jumpstart server info In-Reply-To: <3B4EF5A1.55BA65BB@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010713185123.9475.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Several things come to mind. First, I think that it NFS mounts the root directory after booting. If you don't have your exports file set right, it won't find the root. If it boots, tftp is working. Make sure that your root directory is set correctly in bootp.conf or bootparamd.something(I think that's the name). As I recall getting it right the first time is the hard part. After that, adding machines is a piece of cake. later... Bob --- Darin Perusich wrote: > since this is my first time playing with jumpstart server i've stepped > back to getting it to work with bootp first. i contact sun about the > dhcp install and, suprise suprise they don't have much experience using > dhcp. the sent me one of those uncontrolled documents on how to get it > working, but they can't support it then though it was written by sun. > > when using the bootp it's booting over the network but it's not reading > the sysidcfg file i created, and then it can't find the rules.ok file > either. when i ran the add_install_client script i told it where to find > all this stuff but it's like it ignoring it. > > i'm going to keep beating on it, i figure that it will eventually submit > to my hammering. if you have any pointers let me know. > > thanks > > > Robert Meyer wrote: > > > > I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I > don't > > see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Bob > > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > > hello, > > > > > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > > > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > > > questions of someone who has done this before. > > > > > > thanks > > > -- > > > Darin Perusich > > > Unix Administrator > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > > ===== > > Bob Meyer > > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > > 36 Cayuga Blvd > > Depew, NY 14043 > > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 14:54:54 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB8@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <20010713185454.48939.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Try PKZIP for Linux :-) http://freshmeat.net/projects/pkzipforlinux/ Cheers! Bob --- "Wechter, Ron" wrote: > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > Ronald K. Wechter > Network Systems Administrator > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > (716) 551-4901 > > > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 13 14:58:29 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FB9@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Well I found a site that had license free software (runs on winblows though :( ) but accomplishs my task at hand. Here is the URL: http://www.kalab.com/freeware/makezip/makezip.htm Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dege [mailto:rdege@cse.Buffalo.EDU] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:49 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Zip -- Really Stupid Question I am not aware of any GNU utils that provide this function. I only know of 2 programs that perform this function.... Winzip & zip2exe.exe, both of which only run on Windows. The only way that I can think of would be to run either of these programs through an emulator like Wine, or something like that. -Rob > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create self-extracting > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > Ronald K. Wechter > Network Systems Administrator > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > (716) 551-4901 > > > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 15:01:51 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Zip -- Really Stupid Question In-Reply-To: <20010713185454.48939.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010713190151.42430.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> I forgot about the GPL/open source requirement. There are none of those on Freshmeat... Bob --- Robert Meyer wrote: > Try PKZIP for Linux :-) > http://freshmeat.net/projects/pkzipforlinux/ > > Cheers! > > Bob > > --- "Wechter, Ron" wrote: > > Ive never had to do this in Linux until now :) > > Is there a way, using GNU utilities (open source), to create > self-extracting > > zip archives (tar archive WHATEVER) that will extract on a win32 platform? > > > > Ronald K. Wechter > > Network Systems Administrator > > NRD Buffalo Webmaster > > Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo > > (716) 551-4901 > > > > > > > > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Fri Jul 13 15:02:49 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: jumpstart server info References: <20010713185123.9475.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B4F45D9.7787767E@phor.com> the NFS shares appear to be setup correctly, the client boots up and grabs the info from the sysidcfg file. what gets me is that it can't find the rules.ok, which is in the same location. wierd, i just got off the phone with a jumpstart tech and he sounded stumped. i'm sure i'll be hearing from him soon as i just emailed him the system configs. fun fun fun Robert Meyer wrote: > > Several things come to mind. First, I think that it NFS mounts the root > directory after booting. If you don't have your exports file set right, it > won't find the root. If it boots, tftp is working. Make sure that your root > directory is set correctly in bootp.conf or bootparamd.something(I think that's > the name). As I recall getting it right the first time is the hard part. > After that, adding machines is a piece of cake. > > later... > > Bob > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > since this is my first time playing with jumpstart server i've stepped > > back to getting it to work with bootp first. i contact sun about the > > dhcp install and, suprise suprise they don't have much experience using > > dhcp. the sent me one of those uncontrolled documents on how to get it > > working, but they can't support it then though it was written by sun. > > > > when using the bootp it's booting over the network but it's not reading > > the sysidcfg file i created, and then it can't find the rules.ok file > > either. when i ran the add_install_client script i told it where to find > > all this stuff but it's like it ignoring it. > > > > i'm going to keep beating on it, i figure that it will eventually submit > > to my hammering. if you have any pointers let me know. > > > > thanks > > > > > > Robert Meyer wrote: > > > > > > I worked quite a bit with jumpstart at UB. We used bootp mostly but I > > don't > > > see why DHCP should be much different. I might be able to help. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Bob > > > --- Darin Perusich wrote: > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > if anyone that has experience using a solaris jumpstart server with dhcp > > > > can you drop me a line. i'm running into a wall and i'd like to ask some > > > > questions of someone who has done this before. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > -- > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > > > > ===== > > > Bob Meyer > > > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > > > 36 Cayuga Blvd > > > Depew, NY 14043 > > > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > > > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Mon Jul 16 13:43:56 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Some humor Message-ID: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From mrjames at localnet.com Tue Jul 17 08:53:31 2001 From: mrjames at localnet.com (Michael R. James) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Message-ID: <200107171356.JAA16915@allman.localnet.com> Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the problems encountered and the solutions implemented. Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. Thoughts, ideas are welcome. Michael R. James, CNE mrjames@localnet.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Jul 17 09:31:56 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Peter Jarzynka) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office Message-ID: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D48008E251008CE4FC8 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new Star= =20 Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work well for = mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the printer working= =20 fine in other programs. Thanks, peter@thecybersource.com --------------=_4D48008E251008CE4FC8 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Printing on Star Office

--------------=_4D48008E251008CE4FC8-- From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 10:38:44 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just pickup the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to configure the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in. > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > peter@thecybersource.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From carl.luberti at eds.com Tue Jul 17 10:55:14 2001 From: carl.luberti at eds.com (Luberti, Carl) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Message-ID: I think, personally, that the best way to migrate is to run VMWare (http://www.vmware.com) or Win4Lin (http://www.netraverse.com) so that applications are not just dropped, users can be migrated in a greater timeframe and more "at their leisure", so to speak. As far as BDC or NIS, I am unsure. I use Samba for most PDC/BDC operations here, but I cannot speak to other options as I have not tried them. > Carlo Luberti > EDS - New York Solution Centre > NYSC Design Cell - Platform > 25 Northpointe Pkwy. > Amherst, NY 14228 > * phone: +01-716-564-6678 > * pager: +01-716-623-9062 > * mailto:carl.luberti@eds.com > http://www.eds.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael R. James [mailto:mrjames@localnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:54 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the problems encountered and the solutions implemented. Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. Thoughts, ideas are welcome. Michael R. James, CNE mrjames@localnet.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Jul 17 12:27:29 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800BB45040870E698 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Any advise on how to configure that file? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich =20 wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star Office: > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just picku= p > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to configur= e > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in. > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > peter@thecybersource.com > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------=_4D4800BB45040870E698 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Printing on Star Office

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> printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just
pickup
> the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run
> /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to
configure
> the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in.

> > Peter Jarzynka wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for th=
e new
> > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not=
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> > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have =
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> > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks,
> > peter@thecybersource.com

> --
> Darin Perusich
> Unix Administrator
> Cognigen Corp.
> darinper@cognigencorp.com

--------------=_4D4800BB45040870E698-- From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 12:31:56 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and stuff. > Cyber Source wrote: > > Thanks, > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star > Office: > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > pickup > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > configure > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in. > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the new > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not work > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have the > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 12:32:58 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops References: <200107171356.JAA16915@allman.localnet.com> Message-ID: <3B5468BA.5D63D2C9@phor.com> it's been my experience that you will never get fully away from windows, there will always be some need for the apps avialable. but there are ways around this. my experience with this comes from an environment using solaris and windows but it applies to linux as well. the company i work for, cognigen has invested quite a bit in sun hardware and software. when the company was smaller, meaning 10 to 15 or so users everything was run on solaris and you'd have to go to a PC to do anything windows bases. everyone had a thin client at there desk that connected them to a sun e450 and they used CDE as the desktop, CDE is a nasty beast if you as me and why we switched to KDE. we use NIS+ for consolidation of passwds, groups, home directories, and whatever else. NIS uses primary and secondary/backup servers for domain control, i.e PDC and BDC for the windows people. you can also define sub domains, domain.com is the overall controller, abc.domain.com, def.domain.com for sub-domains like marketing, hr ./etc. what to do when you need office at your unix desktop? the easiest, if not best solution is to use citrix metaframe? get yourself a windows2000 running terminal services on a beefy box, install office or what ever and then install citrix and it's just about ready to go. on the unix/linux end to citrix client take about 15 minutes to install and configure. it's not as fast as having it natively but it work well, any of the latency are currently being worked on. we'd did benchark testing between win2k and nt4, win2k is the way to go, speed and performance wise. back to the authentication. once you get your citrix server up you don't want to have to maintain accounts on this box as well, that's why you use nis+ for the unix machines. unix, windows password synchronization any sysadmins biggest problem. one which we've vistied on many occasions. depending on your environment one may be the better pick. if you want to share your unix filesystems out to the windows machines you're are likely to use samba, so setting samba up as a PDC might be the right choice. you can use LDAP, novel "claims" to have solved this across the enterprise for unix, windows, oracle you name it. i don't have as much faith as they do though. if you don't mind having NIS+ and a windows PDC microsoft has a really cool feature included in it's services for unix. they has a mechinism for password synchronization, a daemon that runs on you unix server and the windows machine. so when you change your password in one place it propagates to the other. it actually works and much to my suprise they provide the source code so you can compile it if they haven't provided the binary. we choose to use Sun's PC Netlink which is software that make you sun server look just like a nt4 PDC/BDC/member server. it is sun's answer to samba but it's not reversed engineered. it doesn't have the password synchronization, but it's coming in the next version. again this solution depends on you environment. pc netlink will suck the data out of your windows PDC also so you won't loose that data. to make every system look to same you'd setup a jumpstart server for solaris or a kickstart server for redhat linux. it's a hands free method to install you workstation once you get it setup. for kickstart you configure a boot floppy and let go and on sun machines you do "boot net - install" from the eeprom (sun's bios, kind of). nothing mentioned can be done overnight, unless of course your superman and you can go back in time but they are all feasible ways to migrate from one to the other. "Michael R. James" wrote: > > Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 > users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously > looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience > with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along > with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control > the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. > Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a > whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a > smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very > little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I > propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the > problems encountered and the solutions implemented. > > Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation > maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the > Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with > Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and > passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS > server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the > NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" > directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing > is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the > wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely > necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation > wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement > NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and > implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What > obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to > Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased > transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. > > Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see > Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the > pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated > into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. > > Thoughts, ideas are welcome. > > Michael R. James, CNE > mrjames@localnet.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 12:35:02 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: firewall VAR Message-ID: <3B546936.AAE44EF1@phor.com> does anyone know a good firewall reseller in the area? -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From jbielli at netsos.com Tue Jul 17 13:03:03 2001 From: jbielli at netsos.com (Joe Bielli) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: firewall VAR In-Reply-To: <3B546936.AAE44EF1@phor.com> Message-ID: <000001c10ee2$57a5b580$07437fcf@NETSOS.COM> Darin, Give me a call, we're right across the street. I'm sure we have -several- solutions for you. Joe Bielli Computer SOS, inc. 1780 Wehrle Drive Williamsville, NY 14221 P:// 716.635.0086 E:// jbielli@netsos.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org] On Behalf Of Darin Perusich Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:35 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: firewall VAR does anyone know a good firewall reseller in the area? -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From peter at thecybersource.com Tue Jul 17 15:27:59 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> Message-ID: <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800E917180860C2B8 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is liste= d=20 there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one puts a ne= w=20 driver on there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich =20 wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star Office: > it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and stuff= . > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > Thanks, > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on St= ar > > Office: > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > > pickup > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > > configure > > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built in.= > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the = new > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not w= ork > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have th= e > > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > -- > > > Darin Perusich > > > Unix Administrator > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------=_4D4800E917180860C2B8 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Printing on Star Office

It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is
listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one
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> it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it
> should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and
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> > Cyber Source wrote:
> >
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> > > --
> > > Darin Perusich
> > > Unix Administrator
> > > Cognigen Corp.
> > > darinper@cognigencorp.com

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> Darin Perusich
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> Cognigen Corp.
> darinper@cognigencorp.com

--------------=_4D4800E917180860C2B8-- From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 16:02:25 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B5499D1.16761371@phor.com> the generic drivers "should" work, i know i had to use them to configure some hp 8100 printers. > Cyber Source wrote: > > It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is > listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one > puts a new driver on there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star > Office: > > > it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it > > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and > stuff. > > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on > Star > > > Office: > > > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > > > pickup > > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > > > configure > > > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built > in. > > > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the > new > > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not > work > > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have > the > > > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > > > -- > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com From Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com Tue Jul 17 16:02:57 2001 From: Darin.Perusich at cognigencorp.com (Darin Perusich) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: [Fwd: Job Opportunities!] Message-ID: <3B5499F1.669D574A@phor.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A999BEC94060C9EF689B01AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Darin Perusich Unix Administrator Cognigen Corp. darinper@cognigencorp.com --------------A999BEC94060C9EF689B01AB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from denali.phor.com (denali.phor.com [216.5.243.200]) by petard.phor.com (Switch-2.0.0/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id f6HJ6rE17811 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:06:53 -0500 Received: from picard.bizchek.com (picard.bizchek.com [208.210.50.206]) by denali.phor.com (UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6HL1O531507 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:01:24 GMT Received: (qmail 5172 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Received: from corporate.bizchek.com (HELO corporate.chek.com) (208.210.50.200) by mail1.bizchek.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12493 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Date: 17 Jul 2001 20:01:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010717200144.12492.qmail@corporate.chek.com> From: "Christine Genek" To: info@nflug.org Subject: Job Opportunities! X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi! My name is Christine Genek, an IT recruiter working with Systems Personnel in Buffalo, NY. We've heard some great things about the Linux User Group and we thought that your members would be interested in hearing about UNIX jobs in the Buffalo market. Systems Personnel provides opportunities to IT professional,at no cost to them, ranging from contract or permanent opportunities. I have been a recruiter for over 5 years and I enjoy the opportunity working with candidates and placing them in positions suitable to their expertise. Please let me know if there is a way to work with the members of the group or post any opportunities on the web site. Thank you in advance for your help and I look forward to hearing from you! Christine Genek Systems Personnel Certified Personnel Consultant Phone:716-677-2667 1-888-297-4825 (toll free) web site: www.systemspersonnel.com --------------A999BEC94060C9EF689B01AB-- From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Tue Jul 17 16:31:03 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:13 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <3B5499D1.16761371@phor.com> Message-ID: You can also try the "beta" version of Star Office 6.0, now known as open office. www.openoffice.org > the generic drivers "should" work, i know i had to use them to configure > some hp 8100 printers. > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is > > listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one > > puts a new driver on there > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star > > Office: > > > > > it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it > > > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and > > stuff. > > > > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on > > Star > > > > Office: > > > > > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just > > > > pickup > > > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run > > > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to > > > > configure > > > > > the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built > > in. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the > > new > > > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not > > work > > > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have > > the > > > > > > printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, > > > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > > > -- > > > Darin Perusich > > > Unix Administrator > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > -- > Darin Perusich > Unix Administrator > Cognigen Corp. > darinper@cognigencorp.com > Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From sonofrage at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 21:29:32 2001 From: sonofrage at yahoo.com (Samuel Morales Jr.) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office In-Reply-To: <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010718012932.42521.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> If all else fails, you could always print to a PS file and then print it from the command line. --- Cyber Source wrote: > > It does but my printer is not listed there and the > generic that is listed > there does not work at all. I was originally > wondering how one puts a new > driver on there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich > > wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star Office: > > > > it's the program that you run to configure > staroffice printing. it > > should bring up a gui tool where you can choose > your printer and stuff. > > > > Cyber Source wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Any advise on how to configure that file? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich > > > wrote > regarding Re: Printing on Star > > > Office: > > > > > > > printing in staroffice needs to be configured, > it's doesn't just > > > pickup > > > > the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. > run > > > > /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this > will allow you to > > > configure > > > > the printers. it has support for just about > everyprinter built in. > > > > > > > > Peter Jarzynka wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give some direction on adding a > print driver for the new > > > > > Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. > The generic does not work > > > > > well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using > RedHat 7.1. I have the > > > > > printer working fine in other programs. > Thanks, > > > > > peter@thecybersource.com > > > > > > > -- > > > > Darin Perusich > > > > Unix Administrator > > > > Cognigen Corp. > > > > darinper@cognigencorp.com > > > -- > > Darin Perusich > > Unix Administrator > > Cognigen Corp. > > darinper@cognigencorp.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From javabob at localnet.com Wed Jul 18 04:07:04 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) Message-ID: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> I have been using Linux for about 2.5 years now. It has been almost exclusively. I'm constantly looking for more information on how to install, configure and program Linux and any Open Source software. I keep coming across sequence :-) without ever an explanation to it's meaning. I would like to know in case I'm ever asked. Can anyone help? Thanks, Bob Stockdale IV javabob@localnet.com From kagalle at infoblvd.net Wed Jul 18 08:53:56 2001 From: kagalle at infoblvd.net (Kenneth Galle) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) References: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> Message-ID: <3B5586E4.2FEF6F4@infoblvd.net> It means "smile". :-( frown, ;-) wink etc. Does anyone know if there is a coined name for them? You may also find these interesting (essential): AAMOF: as a matter of fact AFAIK: as far as I know AISE: as I see it BFN: bye for now BION: believe it or not BRB: be right back BTW: by the way CMIIW: correct me if I am wrong FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt FWIW: for what it's worth FYI: for your information HTH: hope this helps IIRC: if I recall correctly IMHO: in my humble opinion LOL: laughing out loud MYOB: mind your own business PITA: pain in the ass ROTFL: rolling on the floor laughing RTFM: read the fine manual SOP: standard operating procedure TIA: thanks in advance YMMV: your mileage may vary Ken "Robert F. Stockdale IV" wrote: > > I have been using Linux for about 2.5 years now. It has been > almost exclusively. > I'm constantly looking for more information on how to > install, configure and program Linux and any Open Source > software. I keep coming across sequence :-) without ever an > explanation to it's meaning. I would like to know in case > I'm ever asked. > Can anyone help? > Thanks, > Bob Stockdale IV > javabob@localnet.com From josephj at adelphia.net Wed Jul 18 09:39:13 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) References: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> <3B5586E4.2FEF6F4@infoblvd.net> Message-ID: <001f01c10f8f$08aa4100$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Galle" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Does any one know the meaning of :-) > It means "smile". :-( frown, ;-) wink etc. Does anyone know if there is a > coined name for them? You may also find these interesting (essential): > They're called emoticons - short for emotional icons. There are tons of them. Check out http://www.ultranet.com/support/netiquette/emoticons.shtml Joe Pollock From Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com Wed Jul 18 12:34:12 2001 From: Richard.Hubbard at nhwny.com (Richard.Hubbard@nhwny.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Message-ID: Actually, this is the same kind of problem that Windows people have when they are switching from WinNT to Win2K. It is such a big issue that M$ has several $2000 courses that cover many of the issues involved in a migration from one system to another. It basically boils down to project planning. What objectives are you trying to accomplish, what is your timeframe, what resourses (money/equpt and personnel) do you have at your command? Give those answers priorties of 1-3 (no duplicates) and your on your way. As far as what is available regarding linux technologies, you seem to be alluding to one of the 'holy grails' of computing, the single log on. There are a couple of technologies for that (and i'm about to exhaust my knowledge) NIS, and Kerberos seem to be the bigger players. There are some 'by hand' solutions you can try, such as NFS and cron scripts to copy /etc/passwd and or /etc/shadow files back to a server periodically, and an awk script or two to parse out the users line to update the server's copy. (i've done this, not recommended if you know as little as i do!, it isn't pretty) There is also Samba, which replicates the functionality of an NT PDC. There is no such thing as a BDC for Samba, because if you are aware of what a BDC actually does in NT, you could probably replicate the functionality with a couple of shell scripts. This BDC won't be able to deal with M$ PDC's. Samba client software could then be used for mounting the Samba shares. Samba and Kerberos are appealing because these can be phased in with little or no immediate impact (except your server up time goes up). BTW, your point on companies adopting linux is well taken. Many Fortune 500 Windows NT shops have still not replaced their NT PDC's with Windows 2000 because the planning/migration can be a real pain. Richard A. Hubbard III MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD, MCT, CLI, CLP,LCI,LCP, A+, Net+,I-net+ Training Manager, New Horizons Buffalo richard.hubbard@nhwny.com phone (716) 681-8500 x2241 (716) 206-2241 Direct fax (716) 206-2222 "Michael R. James" To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops Sent by: owner-nflug@n flug.org 07/17/01 08:53 AM Please respond to nflug Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. I propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both the problems encountered and the solutions implemented. Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every workstation maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, the Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could the NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. Printing is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a phased transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all the pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to this. Thoughts, ideas are welcome. Michael R. James, CNE mrjames@localnet.com From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 14:04:16 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Linux Enterprise Desktops In-Reply-To: <200107171356.JAA16915@allman.localnet.com> Message-ID: <20010718180416.67662.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I'm not feeling well today, but here goes an attempt to put together a cohesive thought process... I worked with a mess of NT systems and Unix servers at UB. We had a system set up where a user could log on anywhere and get access to the capabilities of both NT and Unix things. The key to the whole thing is the ability to replicate mount home directories whereever the user logged in. Start with a good NIS/NIS+ domain with all of your users entered in the database. Remember that your machine names cannot match your user names in Windows space since machines and users live in the same namespace. The next step is to utilize the automounter in Linux/Unix to handle home directories (and application directories if you desire). Make the automounter configuration file an NIS map so that it can be modified in one place. Now you have removed the need for administering password files and home directories on an individual basis on the Linux/Unix systems. Create a global 'local' file system that can be mounted/automounted on all of the unix workstations. Create 'etc', 'lib', 'bin' directories in this tree. The next bit is where you use your enterprise skills to build a global 'profile'/'cshrc'/'bashrc'/whatever set of scripts that each user will get in Unixland. You will modify the '/etc/(whatever shell users use)' on the workstations (probably in your default install process) that sources the files from the '/usr/local' (or whatever you called it) file system. This way, you have a single place to change what the user gets in his startup. This replicates the 'login.cmd' from NT that would be pulled from the PDC. You will probably want to make a spot to stuff applications and make an NIS(+) automounter map to locate programs so that you don't have to install every application on every machine. There are a number of other things that can be done to consolidate the Unix environment that escape me now but you get the idea. You will not be able to get rid of windows for the moment, since there are a lot of apps that your users will want that won't have equivalents in Unixland, yet. As has been mentioned before, set up a Win2K system with Citrix Metaframe and make sure that you have the Citrix client available on all of the Unix machines, either through the automounted utility file system (preferred) or install on each machine. This will enable your users to access the Windows apps that you intend to use. Set up Samba as a PDC on your Unix/Linux server and teach it how to find the users' home directories. You can set up a standard 'login.cmd' to 'net use H: \\sambaserver\homes' to get them automounted on NT. Point the Win2K box to that as your PDC and things should go swimmingly. I would recommend turning on the 'EnablePlainTextPassword' feature in the NT registry or find a way to sync the Linux/Unix passwords with the NT passwords. There are a myriad of ways to do this but I never had the opportunity to try them. You might also want to put roving profiles in the users' home directories, too. Not a hard thing to do in Samba. You can also bind NT boxes to the Samba server using the same parameters and you will have a situation where an NT box or a Citrix connection will look the same. On NT systems, I recommend using Hummingbird eXceed (sp?) as an Xserver that will allow you to remotely display X applications from Unixland to the NT machines. The obvious advantage here is that devout Windows users can be introduced to X apps in a more familiar environment. You can install Star Office with the '/net' flag that will enable you to install the package in an NFS file system that all of the Linux boxes will be able to access. You can modify your system install process with some scripts to make sure that the Star Office icons get put on all of the machines (or you could also make '/usr/share' a mounted file system and put everything there). As for Mac users, I have successfully used the Columbia AppleTalk package to enable home directory and printer access but I haven't gone so far as to try to do any serious level of integration of the Mac environment. This might be obviated with MacOS X :-) NTP is easy to implement. Just make a cron entry to do an 'ntpupdate' periodically and at boot time. As far as BDC capabilities, I'm not sure about newer versions of NIS but Sun's NIS used to support 'master' and 'slave' servers. All replication was pushed to the slave servers and updates occurred on the master. All of the local filesystems, etc. could be replicated to the backup servers via 'rdist' or some such to maintain consistency. As with any enterprise environment, it pays to do your infrastructure design and build first, before deploying too many workstations. It is easier to make changes before things start rolling out as you learn and modify the environment. Start small on the workstation roll out and use the same methods as software development (alpha and beta stations first to make sure things are OK and then deployment). I'm sure I've missed a bunch of stuff, here. Implementation is left as an exercise for the reader :-) Maybe this will get the discussion rolling. Cheers! Bob --- "Michael R. James" wrote: > Having spent over 6 years as a network administrator with approximately 1200 > users spread across the US in a multi-site WAN, I was charged with seriously > looking at Linux for the desktop and server environments. I have experience > with Microsoft NT, and Novell Netware servers. Based on my experience, along > > with the research I completed, I believe that Linux can successfully control > the desktops. There must, however, be some prerequisites completed first. > Enterprises won't just drop Windows (or Netware) and migrate to Linux on a > whim. There has to be some type of blueprint available, allowing them a > smooth transition from one to the other. I've scoured the web and found very > > little documentation in transitioning existing networks to Linux solutions. > I > propose that the administrators in this forum share their experiences, both > the > problems encountered and the solutions implemented. > > Windows NT allows for either a workgroup configuration, where every > workstation > maintains it's own user id's and passwords, or for central authentication, > the > Primary Domain Controller. The workgroup environment is easily mimicked with > > Linux, as every Linux workstation would maintain it's own list of users and > passwords. The Primary Domain Controller could also be mimicked, using a NIS > > server. The question is how to implement Backup Domain Controllers? Could > the > NIS database be securely replicated to other servers? Common "home" > directories could be maintained as NFS exports from a central server. > Printing > is a no brainer, using LPR/LPD. Star Office could be used as the > wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc application. What services are absolutely > necessary for the Linux workstations? Certainly, each and every workstation > wouldn't need MySQL or Apache running as a service. How would one implement > NTP for standard time synchronization on the network? How would one plan and > > implement a heterogeneous network, with Linux, Window, and Mac clients? What > > obstacles are now forced on the plan? Certainly an enterprise migrating to > Linux would not do so in a day. They would be much more receptive to a > phased > transition, which would ultimately mean heterogeneous clients on the network. > > Until a "blueprint" or outline for the transition is detailed, I fail to see > Linux being implemented in the Enterprise on a grand scale. I believe all > the > pieces are present for this eventuality. They just need to be orchestrated > into a reasonable solution. Perhaps we, as a group, could contribute to > this. > > Thoughts, ideas are welcome. > > > Michael R. James, CNE > mrjames@localnet.com > > > > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From robromito at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 14:49:31 2001 From: robromito at yahoo.com (Robert Romito) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo Message-ID: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1782576639-995482171=:46527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. 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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1782576639-995482171=:46527-- From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 17:10:30 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010718211030.1835.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Well, there are a bunch of options. My personal favorite is NextGen computers on Walden Avenue in Cheektowaga. I believe that there is a place called 'TDN computers'. Their phone number is 716.743.0195 and their address is 1000 Young Street in Tonawanda. As a last resort, there's always 'CompUSA' :-). I remember another one off of Sheridan Drive in Tonawanda but I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. I might be able to scare up a spool of CAT5 that I have laying around that you could have some of. Let us know when you get here and welcome to Buffalo! Cheers! Bob Meyer --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Jul 18 19:58:19 2001 From: rdege at cse.Buffalo.EDU (Robert Dege) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you need some CAT5 cable, I can supply you with some. I "think" I have around 300ft left over from previous work. If you're just looking for a male to male patch cable, then i can set you up. You'll just have to wait until I get back into town. -Rob > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Dege Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake. From ccb at acm.org Wed Jul 18 23:21:26 2001 From: ccb at acm.org (ccb@acm.org) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:49:31 PDT." <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200107190321.f6J3LRX16090@memecycle.com> > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into > local shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the > Buffalo Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara > Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network > cable to wire my new place. Cool. I grew up a couple of miles from there around Delaware and Sheridan - a piece of heaven we call Kenmore ;-). No tips on computer stores, moved east a long time ago. Last I looked there was a Mighty Taco at NFBlvd and Sheridan. Go there soon. The Mighty is more important than the Buffalo Bills. Continue east on Sheridan to the intersection of Millersport for Duff's. Don't bother to order anything other than wings. You'll go back again and again. Have you considered 802.11b wireless ethernet? My home rig is an SMC Barricade base station, a wired (100mbps) Linux workstation, a PowerBook (Firewire) with Airport card, my Sony VAIO (Linux) for work, my wife's HP Omnibook (W2k) for work, my son's Win98 box and a crusty old Nec Versa (Win98) that has my 8 years of quicken data. Among my son's box and the miscellaneous laptops we have 2 Lucent Orinocco cards that pop in as needed. There are also 2 spare ports on the base station for dropping in a high-speed connection for things like backups or bulk MP3 transfers before business trips. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb@valinux.com www.valinux.com From josephj at adelphia.net Thu Jul 19 00:29:29 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo References: <200107190321.f6J3LRX16090@memecycle.com> Message-ID: <002901c1100b$67ec2b20$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Welcome toBuffalo! There's a CompUSA a couple of blocks from your new location on Niagara Falls Boulevard for the usual stuff. For bulk cable, maybe someone else can help. There are several cable venders in town - everything from Graybar to Radio Shack (commercial catalog - not the retail stores). Joe Pollock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Moving to Buffalo > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into > > local shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the > > Buffalo Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara > > Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network > > cable to wire my new place. > > Cool. I grew up a couple of miles from there around Delaware and > Sheridan - a piece of heaven we call Kenmore ;-). > > No tips on computer stores, moved east a long time ago. Last I looked > there was a Mighty Taco at NFBlvd and Sheridan. Go there soon. The > Mighty is more important than the Buffalo Bills. Continue east on > Sheridan to the intersection of Millersport for Duff's. Don't bother > to order anything other than wings. You'll go back again and again. > > Have you considered 802.11b wireless ethernet? My home rig is an SMC > Barricade base station, a wired (100mbps) Linux workstation, a > PowerBook (Firewire) with Airport card, my Sony VAIO (Linux) for work, > my wife's HP Omnibook (W2k) for work, my son's Win98 box and a crusty > old Nec Versa (Win98) that has my 8 years of quicken data. Among my > son's box and the miscellaneous laptops we have 2 Lucent Orinocco > cards that pop in as needed. There are also 2 spare ports on the base > station for dropping in a high-speed connection for things like > backups or bulk MP3 transfers before business trips. > > > ccb > > > -- > Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems > Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 > +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 > ccb@valinux.com www.valinux.com From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Thu Jul 19 10:11:16 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FBD@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> I think the sheridan drive computer store your thinking of is PC Expanders - www.pce.net Ronald K. Wechter Network Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Meyer [mailto:meyer_rm@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:11 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Moving to Buffalo Well, there are a bunch of options. My personal favorite is NextGen computers on Walden Avenue in Cheektowaga. I believe that there is a place called 'TDN computers'. Their phone number is 716.743.0195 and their address is 1000 Young Street in Tonawanda. As a last resort, there's always 'CompUSA' :-). I remember another one off of Sheridan Drive in Tonawanda but I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. I might be able to scare up a spool of CAT5 that I have laying around that you could have some of. Let us know when you get here and welcome to Buffalo! Cheers! Bob Meyer --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From galabad at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 10:49:48 2001 From: galabad at yahoo.com (j j) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010719144948.27437.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com> There is a fair sized used/new computer show every couple of monthes: http://www.townofhamburgny.com/events.html Check out Bo Didley tonight!!: http://www.buffalotalks.com/events/cal_detail.cool?event=2311 --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from > Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but > sometimes like to go into local shops. Does anyone > have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo > Metro area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst > around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. Right now I'm > looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire > my new place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to > attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From trek at becon.org Thu Jul 19 11:46:05 2001 From: trek at becon.org (trek) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Printing on Star Office References: <20010717.13315600@localhost.localdomain> <3B544DF4.C26FC48@phor.com> <20010717.16272900@localhost.localdomain> <3B54687C.6B19BEF5@phor.com> <20010717.19275900@localhost.localdomain> <3B5499D1.16761371@phor.com> Message-ID: <3B5700BD.9000409@becon.org> First, you must be root. A user cannot setup or change printer configurations. Then, if your printer device is not listed, you use the generic one, and click on the "connect" button. This links the driver you want to "Generic". You can also install a different driver, as I had to do for an Epson 740, by clicking on "Install New Driver", then given the path to the new driver. Mine are all listed in /usr/share/Ghostscript/5.5/ on my SuSE Linux system. When done, "connect" the new driver to "Generic", then "Configure" to set up for color/B&W, resolution, etc. That's about it, I believe. Star Office does have a good help system, though I find it hard to navigate it. Good luck. Dean Janik trek@becon.org Darin Perusich wrote: > the generic drivers "should" work, i know i had to use them to configure > some hp 8100 printers. > >> Cyber Source wrote: >> >> It does but my printer is not listed there and the generic that is >> listed there does not work at all. I was originally wondering how one >> puts a new driver on there >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 7/17/01, 12:31:56 PM, Darin Perusich >> wrote regarding Re: Printing on Star >> Office: >> >>> it's the program that you run to configure staroffice printing. it >>> should bring up a gui tool where you can choose your printer and >> >> stuff. >> >>>> Cyber Source wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Any advise on how to configure that file? >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 7/17/01, 10:38:44 AM, Darin Perusich >>>> wrote regarding Re: Printing on >>> >> Star >> >>>> Office: >>>> >>>>> printing in staroffice needs to be configured, it's doesn't just >>>> >>>> pickup >>>> >>>>> the info from /etc/printer.conf or printers. run >>>>> /path-to-startoffice/program/spadmin , this will allow you to >>>> >>>> configure >>>> >>>>> the printers. it has support for just about everyprinter built >>>> >> in. >> >>>>>> Peter Jarzynka wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone give some direction on adding a print driver for the >>>>> >> new >> >>>>>> Star Office 5.2 for a printer not listed. The generic does not >>>>> >> work >> >>>>>> well for mine at all (HP 842C). I am using RedHat 7.1. I have >>>>> >> the >> >>>>>> printer working fine in other programs. Thanks, >>>>>> peter@thecybersource.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Darin Perusich >>>>> Unix Administrator >>>>> Cognigen Corp. >>>>> darinper@cognigencorp.com >>>> >>> -- >>> Darin Perusich >>> Unix Administrator >>> Cognigen Corp. >>> darinper@cognigencorp.com >> From javabob at localnet.com Fri Jul 20 04:19:16 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Does any one know the meaning of :-) References: <3B5543A8.714EDFD9@localnet.com> <3B5586E4.2FEF6F4@infoblvd.net> <001f01c10f8f$08aa4100$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3B57E984.7C991795@localnet.com> Joe Pollock wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Galle" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: Does any one know the meaning of :-) > > > It means "smile". :-( frown, ;-) wink etc. Does anyone know if there is > a > > coined name for them? You may also find these interesting (essential): > > > They're called emoticons - short for emotional icons. There are tons of > them. Check out > http://www.ultranet.com/support/netiquette/emoticons.shtml > > Joe Pollock Thank you. Very interesting. Bob From peter at thecybersource.com Sun Jul 22 16:05:04 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Fonts Message-ID: <20010722.20050400@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800F4E8E008D45558 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X=20 KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in=20 StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter --------------=_4D4800F4E8E008D45558 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fonts

Hello All,

Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter

--------------=_4D4800F4E8E008D45558-- From peter at thecybersource.com Sun Jul 22 16:54:13 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Fonts Message-ID: <20010722.20541300@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D4800FC667408764A48 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X=20 KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in=20 StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter --------------=_4D4800FC667408764A48 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fonts

Hello All,

Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter

--------------=_4D4800FC667408764A48-- From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 22:23:57 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Fonts In-Reply-To: <20010722.20050400@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010723022357.75569.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem that I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star Office uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying 'cuz a lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd like to be able to port them back and forth. I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it finds /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows sources without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts from an MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I don't know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into that. Cheers! Bob --- Cyber Source wrote: > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From javabob at localnet.com Mon Jul 23 04:00:30 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Fonts References: <20010723022357.75569.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B5BD99E.8A24A01@localnet.com> you might try http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Font-HOWTO-4.html it explains how to make fonts available in X including True Type fonts (TTF) (ie: Windows fonts). Hope this helps. Bob Robert Meyer wrote: > > Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem that > I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star Office > uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying 'cuz a > lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd like to > be able to port them back and forth. > > I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it finds > /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows sources > without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts from an > MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I don't > know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into that. > > Cheers! > > Bob > --- Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From jjneff at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 12:50:48 2001 From: jjneff at yahoo.com (JJ Neff) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010718184931.49369.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010723165048.20013.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, You are in my "neck-o-the -woods" I live a bit further down Sheridan (off of Colvin). I sometimes go to US-Itek on Military Rd. It is West on Sheridan (towards the 190) and a right-hand turn on Military then just a hop and on the left. Check there catalog at http://www.us-itek.com JJN --- Robert Romito wrote: > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next week. > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo Metro > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > place. > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly meetings. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 13:21:58 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Moving to Buffalo In-Reply-To: <20010723165048.20013.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010723172158.15957.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Hey! That's the one that I couldn't remember, before. Those guys are pretty good but they don't do SCSI stuff at all. Neither does Comp-USA, either for that matter. I know that you can get SCSI from Next Gen and TDN. Cheers! Bob Meyer --- JJ Neff wrote: > Hello, > > You are in my "neck-o-the -woods" I live a bit further down Sheridan (off of > Colvin). I sometimes go to US-Itek on Military Rd. It is West on Sheridan > (towards the 190) and a right-hand turn on Military then just a hop and on > the > left. Check there catalog at http://www.us-itek.com > > JJN > --- Robert Romito wrote: > > > > Hi. My name is Robert Romito. I'm moving from Atlanta to Buffalo next > week. > > > > > > I usually by my computer parts on-line, but sometimes like to go into local > > shops. Does anyone have suggestions on good local shops in the Buffalo > Metro > > area? I'm moving into a place in Amherst around Niagara Falls & Sheridan. > > Right now I'm looking for about 150 feet of network cable to wire my new > > place. > > > > Thanks for any help. I'm looking forward to attending the monthly > meetings. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From GunsAndRosses at aol.com Mon Jul 23 13:42:57 2001 From: GunsAndRosses at aol.com (GunsAndRosses@aol.com) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Linux Question Message-ID: <21.ebfd7e4.288dbc21@aol.com> My name is Ross Kaplan. I am a high school student doing research at polytechnic university in Long Island. This mailing list was recomended by several of the Linux clubs in other universities that weren't able to help me. I am trying to find the process control block of pending functions waiting to execute in Linux. I am also curious to know if anyone knows any good c++ functions that would let a program look at what a sub-program is doing after a time interval has passed with out editing the source code of the sub program (ex: signals). thank you for all of your help -Ross From galabad at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 15:12:37 2001 From: galabad at yahoo.com (j j) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Linux Question In-Reply-To: <21.ebfd7e4.288dbc21@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010723191237.2546.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Is this what your looking for?: http://www.infocom.cqu.edu.au/Courses/aut2001/85349/Resources/Lectures/4/4/ Here is a how-to on process monitoring with links to other tools: http://www.linux.com/howto/Process-Monitor-HOWTO.html#toc6 --- GunsAndRosses@aol.com wrote: > My name is Ross Kaplan. I am a high school student > doing research at polytechnic university in Long > Island. This mailing list was recomended by several > of the Linux clubs in other universities that > weren't able to help me. I am trying to find the > process control block of pending functions waiting > to execute in Linux. I am also curious to know if > anyone knows any good c++ functions that would let a > program look at what a sub-program is doing after a > time interval has passed with out editing the source > code of the sub program (ex: signals). thank you > for all of your help > -Ross __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 23 15:37:05 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Fonts In-Reply-To: <3B5BD99E.8A24A01@localnet.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info Bob. I fooled around with it enough so that I cant start my X now. Im not sure what I did but I have a problem when trying to run setup for X, the mouse config comes up and says that it is corrupt or missing. I follow the prompts but it doesn't fix anything. I have tried a few different things but to no luck. When it boots up in runlevel 5, everything is ok but when it gets to the linux prompt and tries to load x, it hangs and then goes to runlevel 3 and starts shutting down smb, nmb and then tries to start pcmcia, after that it just hangs. Any clues as to how I can restore whatever it is that I did? Ive got a lot of configuration in this one and I would hate to loose it. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of Robert F. Stockdale IV Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:00 AM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: Fonts you might try http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Font-HOWTO-4.html it explains how to make fonts available in X including True Type fonts (TTF) (ie: Windows fonts). Hope this helps. Bob Robert Meyer wrote: > > Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem that > I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star Office > uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying 'cuz a > lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd like to > be able to port them back and forth. > > I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it finds > /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows sources > without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts from an > MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I don't > know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into that. > > Cheers! > > Bob > --- Cyber Source wrote: > > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter > > ===== > Bob Meyer > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > 36 Cayuga Blvd > Depew, NY 14043 > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From peter at thecybersource.com Mon Jul 23 18:05:36 2001 From: peter at thecybersource.com (Cyber Source) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Problems Message-ID: <20010723.22053600@localhost.localdomain> --------------=_4D48011379E00851BE70 Content-Description: filename="text1.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I corrected the problem with the X server. It seems it had a problem=20 with line 5 in the /etc/sysconfig/mouse file making a call for=20 /dev/mouse. I commented out the line and everything works fine. I have n= o=20 idea how that got in there. I read and followed the docs you sent me (or= =20 the link) Bob, and it was very informative. I changed the font path and = included one I needed for the fonts on the windoz partition but my xfs=20 server must not be the one that includes integration with the true type = fonts or something, I will play some more and let you know my progress a= s=20 I know some have expressed interests in this. I am going to try and make= =20 the fonts system wide. Peter Any thoughts, Hints? Will be Greatly appreciated....... --------------=_4D48011379E00851BE70 Content-Description: filename="text1.html" Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Problems

Hello All,

Any thoughts, Hints? Will be Greatly appreciated.......

--------------=_4D48011379E00851BE70-- From javabob at localnet.com Tue Jul 24 04:44:55 2001 From: javabob at localnet.com (Robert F. Stockdale IV) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Fonts References: Message-ID: <3B5D3587.BDBDBD92@localnet.com> Try, tksysv in X, or boot up in single user mode and run ntsysv. If you want to use your terminal don't forget the & after the command. These utilities show what is starting in each run level as well as what gets shut down when leaving a runlevel. Edit each runlevel (esp runlevel 5) for your specific configuration. It also appears as though the pcmcia is being started in runlevel 3, it should be killed. Either delete it or change its name to begin with a k not an s. Hope this helps. Bob Cyber Source wrote: > > Thanks for the info Bob. I fooled around with it enough so that I cant start > my X now. Im not sure what I did but I have a problem when trying to run > setup for X, the mouse config comes up and says that it is corrupt or > missing. I follow the prompts but it doesn't fix anything. I have tried a > few different things but to no luck. When it boots up in runlevel 5, > everything is ok but when it gets to the linux prompt and tries to load x, > it hangs and then goes to runlevel 3 and starts shutting down smb, nmb and > then tries to start pcmcia, after that it just hangs. Any clues as to how I > can restore whatever it is that I did? Ive got a lot of configuration in > this one and I would hate to loose it. Thanks, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nflug@nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug@nflug.org]On Behalf Of > Robert F. Stockdale IV > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:00 AM > To: nflug@nflug.org > Subject: Re: Fonts > > you might try http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Font-HOWTO-4.html > it explains how to make fonts available in X including True > Type fonts (TTF) (ie: Windows fonts). > Hope this helps. > Bob > > Robert Meyer wrote: > > > > Yeah, if someone knows this one, I'm interested, too. The biggest problem > that > > I have is powerpoint presentations beween Star Office and MS PPT. Star > Office > > uses 'Starbats' for Zapf Dingbats and MS uses Wing Dings. Most annoying > 'cuz a > > lot of the default Star Office presentation formats use Starbats. I'd > like to > > be able to port them back and forth. > > > > I know that Mandrake 8.0 has a font importing system. In fact, if it > finds > > /mnt/windows, it will automatically suck in the fonts from the Windows > sources > > without complaint. I suspect that you'd have to copy all of the fonts > from an > > MS system to Linux and then run some similar kind of importing tool. I > don't > > know where Star Office gets it's fonts, though. I'll have to look into > that. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Bob > > --- Cyber Source wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > Can anyone tell me, in VERY laymen terms, how to import fonts for my X > > > KDE system on Redhat 7.1 for use in all areas or more specifically in > > > StarOffice 5.2? Thanks, Peter > > > > ===== > > Bob Meyer > > Knightwing Communications, Inc. > > 36 Cayuga Blvd > > Depew, NY 14043 > > Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 > > Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From josephj at adelphia.net Thu Jul 26 10:55:27 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Backing up my system? Message-ID: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C115C1.7AC6B9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic question is: = How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* = in a simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my = Windoz system takes about 4 days by the time I get all the applications = and patches etc. back where they were)? I have a dual boot system with Windoz on the C and D drives (hda1, hda5) = and Red Hat 7.0 on 3 remaining partitions. The last and largest = partition is /image. It is currently empty and should have plenty of = room (around 11 gb) for compressed backups of everything else. I am about to install Mandrake 8.0, but first, I want to backup all of = Red Hat (excluding the image partition itself and /mnt) to /image so I = can restore it if I need anything or if I don't like Mandrake, etc. I read the tar man and info pages and tried the following: #bash #backuprh - backup RedHat 7.0 to image partition tar -c -P --preserve --same-owner -S --totals -w -z --file=3D/image/rh7 = --exclude=3D/image -V rh7 / I realize that I need to add something like --exclude=3D/mnt, but the = main problem was that when I ran this it was asking for confirmation on = every file (which would take a few years to complete). Can I just = remove the -w option? I was hoping it would only ask for confirmation = for an overwrite or other problem - not for everything. The bottom line is - How do I make an easily restorable backup of Red = Hat to my /image drive and what do I have to watch for or do when I = install Mandrake so that Windoz and the /image partition are left = intact? Also, once Mandrake is installed, are there any issues related = to accessing the /image partition if I want to extract something from = the archive? As a side issue, the tar documentation refers to a backup script that = should do a lot of this for me, but it didn't really tell me how it = works. Also, it said that the restore script (kind of useful) didn't = exist. What's the story on this? I am big on backups, having been burnt numerous times. I am in the = process of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for = getting it was so I could back up linux and Windoz and restore them if I = have to. It seems like a good idea to backup Windoz partitions from = linux as some sort of image backup because when linux is running, Windoz = isn't, so no files are locked etc. What about various backup utilities like bru and amanda? What's the = easiest way to deal with this and keep it all straight so that when = something breaks and panic starts to set in, there's a simple procedure = to follow to get back to a known state without having to figure = everything out again and worrying that you might leave out some = important data or patches. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C115C1.7AC6B9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I read the tar man and info pages and tried the following:

#bash
#backuprh - backup RedHat 7.0 to image partition
tar -c = -P=20 --preserve --same-owner -S --totals -w -z --file=3D/image/rh7 = --exclude=3D/image -V=20 rh7 /

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C115C1.7AC6B9C0-- From meyer_rm at yahoo.com Thu Jul 26 12:57:19 2001 From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Backing up my system? In-Reply-To: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20010726165719.5305.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Well, my personal favorite backup/restore for *ix is typically 'dump/restore' (sometimes called 'ufsdump/ufsrestore'). It is designed very specifically for imaging a file system in a manner that will put it back the way it was when dumped. The restore process would be to recreate the partitions the way that they were before the dump (although it's not that critical), mounting them and restoring the filesystem. Pretty simple stuff and not a lot of options. It automatically excludes mountpoints of other filesystems. I've used this many times to recover dead machines that have had their hard drives replaced after failures. Generally, the backup will be 'dump 0uf /usr' for the '/usr' filesystem where '' is the place to put the image. It could be a disk file or the name of a tape drive. 'tar' is generally better for making archives of things that you want to be able to get single files back from (dump will do that although with much more difficulty) and 'dump/restore' is better for rebuilding crashed filesystems in their entirety. I've been around the Unix world for a million years (well 20, anyway) and I remember 'tar' not doing a real good job backing up special files, chasing mounted filesystems, etc. so I tend to still hold those preferences. 'dump/restore' has NEVER failed me in all of the years that I've used it. With a good tape (or CD-R/CD-RW) device and multilevel backups, you can recover the system to any point in time within the limits of the incremental backup schedule. My typical preference is to do a '0' level dump once a month, a '3' level once a week and a '5' level incremental every night. A recovery would take a maximum of 3 tapes/CD sets/dumpsets. You would first recover the last '0' level. If you just did the zero, then you'd be done at this point. Then you'd load the last '3' level. Again, if you had just done the three level, you'd be done. Then load the last nightly incremental. The file system would be restored to the exact point that it was last night when the backup ran. As far as installing Mandrake 8, you will be given the option of how you want the disk layout to look and you will see the current layout. If you've allocated sufficient amounts of disk space for all of your partitions for Linux, then you should be able to keep the current partition table and just identify for the intaller where you want each partition mounted. Hope this helps.... Cheers! Bob Meyer --- Joe Pollock wrote: > Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic question is: How do > I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* in a simple > manner without going through reinstalling everything (my Windoz system takes > about 4 days by the time I get all the applications and patches etc. back > where they were)? > > I have a dual boot system with Windoz on the C and D drives (hda1, hda5) and > Red Hat 7.0 on 3 remaining partitions. The last and largest partition is > /image. It is currently empty and should have plenty of room (around 11 gb) > for compressed backups of everything else. > > I am about to install Mandrake 8.0, but first, I want to backup all of Red > Hat (excluding the image partition itself and /mnt) to /image so I can > restore it if I need anything or if I don't like Mandrake, etc. > > I read the tar man and info pages and tried the following: > > #bash > #backuprh - backup RedHat 7.0 to image partition > tar -c -P --preserve --same-owner -S --totals -w -z --file=/image/rh7 > --exclude=/image -V rh7 / > > I realize that I need to add something like --exclude=/mnt, but the main > problem was that when I ran this it was asking for confirmation on every file > (which would take a few years to complete). Can I just remove the -w option? > I was hoping it would only ask for confirmation for an overwrite or other > problem - not for everything. > > The bottom line is - How do I make an easily restorable backup of Red Hat to > my /image drive and what do I have to watch for or do when I install Mandrake > so that Windoz and the /image partition are left intact? Also, once Mandrake > is installed, are there any issues related to accessing the /image partition > if I want to extract something from the archive? > > As a side issue, the tar documentation refers to a backup script that should > do a lot of this for me, but it didn't really tell me how it works. Also, it > said that the restore script (kind of useful) didn't exist. What's the story > on this? > > I am big on backups, having been burnt numerous times. I am in the process > of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for getting it was so I > could back up linux and Windoz and restore them if I have to. It seems like > a good idea to backup Windoz partitions from linux as some sort of image > backup because when linux is running, Windoz isn't, so no files are locked > etc. > > What about various backup utilities like bru and amanda? What's the easiest > way to deal with this and keep it all straight so that when something breaks > and panic starts to set in, there's a simple procedure to follow to get back > to a known state without having to figure everything out again and worrying > that you might leave out some important data or patches. > ===== Bob Meyer Knightwing Communications, Inc. 36 Cayuga Blvd Depew, NY 14043 Phone: 716-308-8931 or 716-681-0076 Meyer_RM@Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From kagalle at infoblvd.net Thu Jul 26 12:58:13 2001 From: kagalle at infoblvd.net (Kenneth Galle) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3B604C25.D39C38AE@infoblvd.net> Here's how I handle it... Use PQImage or... I'm going to use /dev/hda1 mounted on /mnt/extra as an example. Can be windows or linux or whatever. remount the partition readonly. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/extra -o remount ro or if it isn't / or /usr etc just unmount it <> then copy the whole partition to a file dd if=/dev/hda1 of=extra_dev_hda1.ext2 remount the partition mount -a verify with mount -o loop extra_dev_hda1.ext2 /mnt/image diff -qr /mnt/extra /mnt/image umount /mnt/image optionally gzip the extra_dev_hda1.ext2 optionally split the file into the needed number of pieces: split -b 650m extra_dev_hda1.ext2 extra_dev_hda1.ext2.split. save the pieces off to cdrom. mkisofs -J -r -v extra_dev_hda1.ext2... > makecd.iso cdrecord -dev=0,0,0 -speed=4 -v -eject -data makecd.iso If you don't gzip it or split it up, you can mount the file onto the file system: mount -o loop extra_dev_hda1.ext2 /mnt/image In my opinion, no backup is for sure, unless you verify the contents and test the restore (to a backup machine). Verifing the contents is esp. important with burning cds. Just try that with Windows. I love Linux! If you retore from this, you will need to renun LILO. Makes having a seperate / or /boot partition a really good idea. Ken > Joe Pollock wrote: > > Hi. Before I get into all the gruesome details, my basic question is: How > do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* in a > simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my Windoz > of installing a cd-rw drive. One of the main reasons for getting it was so From r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 26 15:07:02 2001 From: r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net (Ronald Maggio) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <000f01c115e3$0f988da0$767d3018@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000d01c11606$27e4b780$48b4fea9@com1computers> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C115E4.9FF8E420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Pollock=20 To: NFLUG=20 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Backing up my system? How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore it *completely* = in a simple manner without going through reinstalling everything (my = Windoz system takes about 4 days by the time I get all the applications = and patches etc. back where they were)? Well joe if I may put my two cents worth in. You sure do have a = project to work on there, I would backup a windows installation as soon = as it was completely set up. ie: applications and patches etc. In my own = experience and from what I have read and I do agree with is that windows = has a decay facture in time something will get corrputed. So it is = inevitable to do a reinstall of course depending on hardware, software, = and or user intrevention.=20 I have thought of backing up a system, but then I've not gotten around = to buying the equipment to do it. Maybe one day I will venture to that = endeavor. Backing up a system for sake of having to reinstall over a = period of days sounds good to me, but I found it cheeper and easyer just = to build a box for each operating system then to think of messing around = trying to backup a multi-boot systems. So let me/us know how you did it = and how well the backup went. See Ya:) Ron Maggio. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C115E4.9FF8E420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Pollock
To: NFLUG

Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 = 10:55=20 AM

Subject: Backing up my = system?

How do I backup my system using linux so I can restore = it=20 *completely* in a simple manner without going through reinstalling = everything=20 (my Windoz system takes about 4 days by the time I get all the = applications=20 and patches etc. back where they were)?

Well joe if I may put my two cents = worth in. You=20 sure do have a project to work on there, I would backup a windows = installation=20 as soon as it was completely set up. ie: applications and patches etc. = In my=20 own experience and from what I have read and I do agree with is that = windows=20 has a decay facture in time something will get corrputed. So it is = inevitable=20 to do a reinstall of course depending on hardware, software, and or = user=20 intrevention.

I have thought of backing up a = system, but then=20 I've not gotten around to buying the equipment to do it. Maybe one day = I will=20 venture to that endeavor. Backing up a system for sake of having to = reinstall=20 over a period of days sounds good to me, but I found it cheeper and = easyer=20 just to build a box for each operating system then to think of=20 messing around trying to backup a multi-boot systems. So let = me/us=20 know how you did it and how well the backup went.

See Ya:)

Ron = Maggio.

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C115E4.9FF8E420-- From josephj at adelphia.net Fri Jul 27 01:17:50 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <20010726165719.5305.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c1165b$7bbb6c00$1c20fea9@buf.adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meyer" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Backing up my system? > Well, my personal favorite backup/restore for *ix is typically 'dump/restore' > (sometimes called 'ufsdump/ufsrestore'). It is designed very specifically for > imaging a file system in a manner that will put it back the way it was when > dumped. The restore process would be to recreate the partitions the way that > they were before the dump (although it's not that critical), mounting them and > restoring the filesystem. Pretty simple stuff and not a lot of options. It > automatically excludes mountpoints of other filesystems. I've used this many > times to recover dead machines that have had their hard drives replaced after > failures. > > Generally, the backup will be 'dump 0uf /usr' for the '/usr' > filesystem where '' is the place to put the image. It could be a > disk file or the name of a tape drive. > Thanks! dump finally worked, though not quite as advertized.... I had to do each directory in my root separately e.g. dump -0Mf /image/bin /bin (I wrote a tiny shell script to make it easy). I couldn't do / itself because /image would try to back itself up and that wouldn't do. Also, it complained that -u was invalid for use with sudirectories so I had to leave that out. I think that means that nothing was written to the backup history file and that I can't do anything except 0 level backups to /image. One puzzlement: My whole hard disk is "only" 30GB, but /usr was broken up into 37 backup volumes! The docs say something about wanting to keep individual volumes under 2GB, but given the size of my hard disk, more than 17GB of which is in Windoz and /image, the fact that my dos partitions were unmounted, and the fact that linux has lots of free disk space there must be some other factor limiting the size of the backup volumes. Any ideas? Joe Pollock From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 27 13:00:12 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: File splitting utility Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD1@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ Ronald K. Wechter NRD Buffalo Assistant Systems Administrator NRD Buffalo Webmaster Navy Recruiting Department Buffalo (716) 551-4901 From kagalle at infoblvd.net Fri Jul 27 13:09:32 2001 From: kagalle at infoblvd.net (Kenneth Galle) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:14 2007 Subject: Backing up my system? References: <20010726165719.5305.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c1165b$7bbb6c00$1c20fea9@buf.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3B61A04C.3D90CA9B@infoblvd.net> I have had good luck using afio. It takes file names to backup on standard input, so you use it in combination with find. find has a -xdev option to limit the find to one filesystem only. cd / find -xdev | afio -o /image/backup.afio Ken > I couldn't do / itself because /image would try to back itself up and that > wouldn't do. From ccb at acm.org Fri Jul 27 13:23:25 2001 From: ccb at acm.org (ccb@acm.org) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: File splitting utility In-Reply-To: Message from "Wechter, Ron" of "Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:00:12 CDT." <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD1@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <200107271723.f6RHNPA01945@memecycle.com> > http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ man split man cat "Old School" Or you can do both sides with dd and small shell loop if you're pathalogical. ccb From josephj at adelphia.net Fri Jul 27 14:48:00 2001 From: josephj at adelphia.net (Joe Pollock) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: File splitting utility References: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD1@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Message-ID: <003701c116cc$a9620f80$1c20fea9@buf.adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wechter, Ron" To: "Nflug (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: File splitting utility > http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ > Thanks. gfslicer looks really nifty. When I get Mandrake up shortly, I'll install it and try it out with my cdrw drive. Joe Pollock From WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil Fri Jul 27 16:15:26 2001 From: WechterR at cnrc.navy.mil (Wechter, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: File splitting utility Message-ID: <8D9BAB3A3B2BD511AB4200508BF1CF61026FD3@buffalo.cnrc.navy.mil> Really - Did not know there were sooooo many splitting utilities out there. COOL! -----Original Message----- From: ccb@acm.org [mailto:ccb@acm.org] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:23 PM To: nflug@nflug.org Subject: Re: File splitting utility > http://www.geocities.com/gfslicer/ man split man cat "Old School" Or you can do both sides with dd and small shell loop if you're pathalogical. ccb From LawrenceWLove at excite.com Sat Jul 28 05:13:29 2001 From: LawrenceWLove at excite.com (Lawrence Love) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: Seventeen years old and state of the art Message-ID: <24507066.996311609311.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Came across this article: Seventeen years old and state of the art Linux is the perfect catalyst for computer recycling By Evan Leibovitch , Linux July 23, 2001 1:43 PM ET Sunday was a time for me to try things that were both old and new. It was my first time making my own sushi, and finally throwing the switch on Mutt, my old-new computer. Old, because it's made up of parts I'd collected over my travels, a product of years of taking what others would throw away. New, because it was being loaded with the freshest software releases. At Mutt's core is an original IBM PC-AT, circa 1984. This box was the last one IBM made a PC standard that the industry adopted, since after this model IBM started its proprietary and ill-fated PS/2 product line. The original machine was equipped with a 6Mhz 80286 processor, a full-height five-inch 30MB hard disk (optional!), and a staggering nine megabytes of RAM (also optional, most of which was added on through an ISA card full of socketed DRAM chips). Backups were done on 5 ?-inch floppies, which (new on this model) had a capacity of 1.2 MB. Given the horsepower needed to crank up current operating systems (let alone any applications) it's reasonable to wonder if anyone was actually able to get any work done on these things. But I well recall that a good stenographer armed with WordPerfect 4.2 could crank out documents of equal quality to what today's bloated Microsoft Office can produce. The trio of WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBASE 2 on top of MS-DOS made for a pretty powerful desktop combination for a generation unaware of the talking paper clips to come. But my goal in Mutt wasn't to run decade-old software. I wanted to see if it was possible to make, using cast-off parts of almost no value to anyone, a computer capable of running the most current software. To do so, I ended up using an old Asus motherboard, a 166MHz Pentium CPU, 96MB of RAM on SIMMs (does anyone remember SIMMs?), vintage CD-ROM and hard drives, a cast-off network card from 3Com and unaccelerated video by S3. Absolutely nothing in Mutt is less than three years old--even the cable used to attach it to the rest of my home network is good old 10Base2 coax. Just about every major computer brand is part of it somewhere. So there I was Sunday, loading one of the most current releases of Linux onto Mutt. I got Mandrake 8.0. which includes the 2.4 Linux kernel and up-to-date versions of most open source applications, up and running with very little effort. The only casualty was an old Dell monitor which refused to show some of its scan lines, and eventually gave up in a loud pop and a puff of smoke. Its replacement, an equally old no-name SVGA monitor, did just fine. To be certain, Mutt is no speed demon. Running some GUI applications requires patience. For all I know, I might still be waiting for Mozilla to load when you read this. But this system is capable of doing real work. Once an app is loaded, it can compose a document or surf much of the Web as fast as hardware of more current vintage. As it is, Mutt is already faster than my NFS/Samba file server and much faster than the system I use as a firewall. This, to me, is one of the most underrated benefits of Linux and other open source operating systems. Linux is driven by users rather than vendors, and many users view software upgrades as a way to move technology forward, and not as an excuse to dump hardware. Have a look at Windows XP or Macintosh OS X. What's the oldest hardware that can run them? Two years old? In the proprietary software world, a system of Mutt's age is a doorstop. In the open-source world, it's slower and relatively less flexible than the current stuff, but hardly ready for the dump. The quality and flexibility of Linux and open source applications are key benefits as developing countries struggle to compete in today's heavily computerized world economy. Levels of technology that are considered commonplace here are simply out of reach for those at average income levels in many developing countries. As I found out on my visit to Jamaica last year, used and older-generation systems are the norm for most smaller organizations in developing countries. Using Linux and open-source applications offers two substantial advantages over conventional proprietary applications. Not only does free software make computers cheaper to buy, it also means that users get the most current software technology. Support for current proprietary software on old hardware is problematic at best. The establishment last week of an Indian chapter of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is just another indication of how well Linux is faring globally, thanks to such advantages. The press release announcing the move says that FSF leader Richard Stallman was "received as an honored state guest by government officials." Coupled with Linux's growing popularity in China and other countries, the numbers of Linux users and developers are ready to take some significant new leaps. And that helps everyone--more developers means more new applications and more participation in existing projects. More users means a larger installed base and increased interest in Linux as a platform by conventional application vendors. In the meantime, I'll be playing around with Mutt and trying out some new software on it. And, by the way, the sushi-making was a success too. Do you think Linux's usability on older computers is a desirable feature? Tell Evan in the Talkback below or in the ZDNetLinux Forum. Evan Leibovitch is Vice President of Business Development for Starnix Inc. in Toronto. He is also a co-founder of the Linux Professional Institute and the Canadian Linux Users' Exchange. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 28 07:08:20 2001 From: r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net (Ronald Maggio) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: Seventeen years old and state of the art Message-ID: <002101c11755$9d7c1ba0$48b4fea9@com1computers> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C11734.157F7F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lawrence Love Member of NFLUG=20 Came across this article I thought that you might have some interest: Seventeen years old and state of the art Linux is the perfect catalyst for computer recycling By Evan Leibovitch , Linux=20 July 23, 2001 1:43 PM ET=20 Sunday was a time for me to try things that were both old and new. It = was my first time making my own sushi, and finally throwing the switch on Mutt, = my old-new computer. Old, because it's made up of parts I'd collected over = my travels, a product of years of taking what others would throw away. New, because it was being loaded with the freshest software releases. At Mutt's core is an original IBM PC-AT, circa 1984. This box was the = last one IBM made a PC standard that the industry adopted, since after this = model IBM started its proprietary and ill-fated PS/2 product line. The = original machine was equipped with a 6Mhz 80286 processor, a full-height = five-inch 30MB hard disk (optional!), and a staggering nine megabytes of RAM (also optional, most of which was added on through an ISA card full of = socketed DRAM chips). Backups were done on 5 =BC-inch floppies, which (new on = this model) had a capacity of 1.2 MB. Given the horsepower needed to crank up current operating systems (let = alone any applications) it's reasonable to wonder if anyone was actually able = to get any work done on these things. But I well recall that a good stenographer armed with WordPerfect 4.2 could crank out documents of = equal quality to what today's bloated Microsoft Office can produce. The trio = of WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBASE 2 on top of MS-DOS made for a pretty powerful desktop combination for a generation unaware of the talking = paper clips to come. But my goal in Mutt wasn't to run decade-old software. I wanted to see = if it was possible to make, using cast-off parts of almost no value to anyone, = a computer capable of running the most current software. To do so, I ended = up using an old Asus motherboard, a 166MHz Pentium CPU, 96MB of RAM on = SIMMs (does anyone remember SIMMs?), vintage CD-ROM and hard drives, a = cast-off network card from 3Com and unaccelerated video by S3. Absolutely nothing = in Mutt is less than three years old--even the cable used to attach it to = the rest of my home network is good old 10Base2 coax. Just about every major computer brand is part of it somewhere. So there I was Sunday, loading one of the most current releases of Linux onto Mutt. I got Mandrake 8.0. which includes the 2.4 Linux kernel and up-to-date versions of most open source applications, up and running = with very little effort. The only casualty was an old Dell monitor which = refused to show some of its scan lines, and eventually gave up in a loud pop and = a puff of smoke. Its replacement, an equally old no-name SVGA monitor, did just fine. To be certain, Mutt is no speed demon. Running some GUI applications requires patience. For all I know, I might still be waiting for Mozilla = to load when you read this. But this system is capable of doing real work. = Once an app is loaded, it can compose a document or surf much of the Web as = fast as hardware of more current vintage. As it is, Mutt is already faster = than my NFS/Samba file server and much faster than the system I use as a firewall. This, to me, is one of the most underrated benefits of Linux and other = open source operating systems. Linux is driven by users rather than vendors, = and many users view software upgrades as a way to move technology forward, = and not as an excuse to dump hardware. Have a look at Windows XP or Macintosh OS X. What's the oldest hardware = that can run them? Two years old? In the proprietary software world, a system = of Mutt's age is a doorstop. In the open-source world, it's slower and relatively less flexible than the current stuff, but hardly ready for = the dump. The quality and flexibility of Linux and open source applications are = key benefits as developing countries struggle to compete in today's heavily computerized world economy. Levels of technology that are considered commonplace here are simply out of reach for those at average income = levels in many developing countries. As I found out on my visit to Jamaica last year, used and = older-generation systems are the norm for most smaller organizations in developing = countries. Using Linux and open-source applications offers two substantial = advantages over conventional proprietary applications. Not only does free software = make computers cheaper to buy, it also means that users get the most current software technology. Support for current proprietary software on old hardware is problematic at best. The establishment last week of an Indian chapter of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is just another indication of how well Linux is faring globally, thanks to such advantages. The press release announcing the = move says that FSF leader Richard Stallman was "received as an honored state guest by government officials." Coupled with Linux's growing popularity = in China and other countries, the numbers of Linux users and developers are ready to take some significant new leaps. And that helps everyone--more developers means more new applications and more participation in = existing projects. More users means a larger installed base and increased = interest in Linux as a platform by conventional application vendors. In the meantime, I'll be playing around with Mutt and trying out some = new software on it. And, by the way, the sushi-making was a success too. Do you think Linux's usability on older computers is a desirable = feature? Tell Evan in the Talkback below or in the ZDNetLinux Forum.=20 Evan Leibovitch is Vice President of Business Development for Starnix = Inc. in Toronto. 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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C11734.157F7F60-- From gjn at certainlywood.com Mon Jul 30 13:45:15 2001 From: gjn at certainlywood.com (Gregory J.Neumann) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: Seventeen Years OId and State of the Art Message-ID: <20010730.17451599@gjn.certainlywood.com> AMEN TO THAT! If it weren't for old, cast off hardware, I'd have no hardware at all!! ;-) "My" box: House SMB Server AMD 486/DX4 overclocked to 120 MHz. 32 Meg Ram Newer 6 Gig WD drive ( Warrantee replaced, old one cratered using Win98!) Trident 8900 1 Meg. 14" SVGA Monitor (COLOR AT LAST!!) Slackware Linux 7.1 w/ custom 2.2.19 kernel. Youngest son's box: Gateway 2000 w/ Overdrive 83 (don't divide! Intel inside!) 16 Meg Ram HD had Win98 on it when it was given to me, he likes it, so I haven't changed it. :-P ATI Mach 32 VLB video card Middle Daughter: (under construction ... ) Dell 433L w/ Overdrive 83 Tseng ET4000 1Meg. 32 Meg of ram (Maybe only 16 if the kernel panic turns out to be one of the SIMMs) 500 Meg Maxtor HD. Slackware 8.0 :-) Wife's machine: Cyrix P200+ (WOW!! Nearly fast!) 32 Meg RAM 15 Gig WD HD Mandrake 7.2 . seems OK, especially since I replace the Trident 8900 w/ a PCI 4 Meg card. She LIKES Linux, especially GIMP! "Family" machine: AMD K6-2 400 (Thanks to oldest son going to Duron 700!) 128 Meg RAM 20 Meg Maxtor Voodoo 3 (thanks to oldest son going to Nvidia G-2!) Dual boot Win98 (sigh!) and Slackware 7.1 Firewall: 486/DX2-66 20 Meg RAM (30 pin SIMMs!) 270 Meg Maxtor HD SmoothWall Linux firewall 0.98. (seems to handle the CounterStrike stuff my son does OK) All happily networked together! I love it! I don't count my oldest son's machine. He's a game fanatic and Win98 user only. But built his own box, so he's not too bad. He just thinks I'm a Linux fanatic because I use it and try to avoid M$ whenever possible and not enough games are developed for it! So, that's what we use, and I don't see any major changes in the near future. I found the article near to my heart, but amusing in that I kept thinking "where's he been? I knew that all along!" This is one of the reasons I also like Slackware. Patrick makes it a point to have a distro that will run on anything from a 386/SX on, so I don't have to worry about what old hardware I'm dealing with. ;-) Gotta' love the Penguin! -Greg From r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 31 20:20:29 2001 From: r.v.maggio at worldnet.att.net (Ronald Maggio) Date: Fri May 25 12:55:15 2007 Subject: Seventeen Years OId and State of the Art References: <20010730.17451599@gjn.certainlywood.com> Message-ID: <000501c11a1f$c5ba16e0$48b4fea9@com1computers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory J.Neumann" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Seventeen Years OId and State of the Art AMEN TO THAT! If it weren't for old, cast off hardware, I'd have no hardware at all!! ;-) I found the article near to my heart, but amusing in that I kept thinking "where's he been? I knew that all along!" This is one of the reasons I also like Slackware. Patrick makes it a point to have a distro that will run on anything from a 386/SX on, so I don't have to worry about what old hardware I'm dealing with. ;-) Gotta' love the Penguin! -Greg Hi All. Hi Greg Well people I'm toten in a small box with monitor to the next meeting to install Mandrake 8.0 since I'm new to Linux I hope I can get some help from John Neff and the gang. Here is what I'm toten in an Intel P1 200Mhz with the following, Modem: USR 33.600 ISA, NIC Card: 3Com EtherLink III 10 Base-T ISA ( I think?), Sound Card: Creative Labs ES1371 PCI, Video Card: ATI Mach32 (I think 8mg's video ram) PCI, 128mg's PC-100 10ns dimm ram 2x64. All on a Matsonic MS-5120 Motherboard VIA chipset. In a Linux mag I read the stated minimum recommended system was a P1 233Mhz with 64mg's of ram. Well lets see Mandrake 8.0 will install for real on a P1 200Mhz with 128mg's of 10ns dimm ram with the aboved mentioned hardware. Well I'll see ya all there. -Ron