[nflug] Mame Distribution

Sat Jun 10 00:23:07 EDT 2006

haha standard,  on linux??  ROFL! That's funny.  Each linux likes to do
things it's own way,. the blessing and curse of linux, but it allows it
to evolve in a darwinian style (weaker dies off, stronger survives).  
Redhat uses "service" (service network restart), gentoo uses rc-update
(hybrid Sysv approach with inifinite different runlevels that are
defined by a textual nameinstead of 0-6 like sysvinit, and uses a cool
priority style (scripts have lines  like "need net" and whatnot which
lets the init system reorder things based on what other scripts need)
ordering system (no numbering shit like in redhat in /etc/rc{0-6}.d) ),
I forgot what debian uses,  but I know their default runlevels are a
little different numerically, but it's sysv under the hood)

Just be thankful it's not like the (very) old BSD runlevel system that
some old versions of slackware used (I think current slack is sysv
style) used only a couple scripts to start up EVERYHING under the sun
and you had to uncomment/comment out parts of those scripts to control
what runs or not. (from your troubles below it sounds like you'd like
that one better actually)

--- Mark Musone <mmusone at shatterit.com> wrote:

> Oh and can i say non-standard run levels!!!!!!
> 
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:06:17AM -0400, Mark Musone wrote:
> > 1. simply figuring out what version to user: ubuntu server or
> workstation...hrmm.wheres the list of software or a comparison of
> features...after installing server, thinking oh, well server should
> have _everything_. i install 'server'. reboot. Grub error 18. you've
> got to be kidding me. my new 300G drive. you've got to be kidding me,
> no /boot or even the kernel file at the beginnign of the disk?? how
> linux 101 is that? so after reinstalling 2 more times to get a /boot
> working correctly, I smile in blissful agony when the kernel starts
> booting up.
> > 
> > I sat there wondering why after the install and reboot i was
> sitting at a command line login prompt.
> > Hrm..thats strange. Oh well, no biggie i'll login and start X.
> startx. xinit. X. WTF it didn't even install X ????????????
> > bah. musta been a bad install on my part. let me try to find X
> somewhere..must not be in my path, sudo tcsh. tcsh sudo tcsh.WTF no
> tcsh!!! no gawk?! wtf is even on this install, 2 programs!!
> > So after 4 additional installs thinking _something_ must be wrong
> because even command line programs nowadays require X libraries, and
> after spending 2 hours trying to see what the difference is between
> "server" and "workstation", I give up and start installing
> workstation. Yay! finally. I got my /boot _and_ an X server, who
> woulda thunk it!!
> > 
> > 
> > 1. getting wireless to work (zd1211ib) ...typical kernel recompile.
> this was actually the easiest thing after 8 bazillion lines of
> non-intuitive and non documented steps:
> > 
> > take a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
> > you've got to be kidding me..for compiling a simple kernel??? I'm
> suprised I also don't have to give up my first born son.
> > 
> > 2. _removing_ gdm. In the end, i'm running framebuffer and cannot
> be in X. hah! good luck. I turn off "gdm" in the
> Administration->Services tab. Seems simple enough. I turn off that
> service and X immediately dies. "Oh kool. it worked!!! I'm not in X!"
> Reboot-----> gdm and X starts. I give up and chmod -x the gdm file in
> /etc/init.d. now i get lovely complaints on bootup, but no X yay!!!
> :)
> > 
> > 3. removing vesafb from loading and instead loading up nvifiafb
> upon bootup. Hah! good luck! it's compiled right into initrd image.
> ubuntu has to have it's kool splashscreen. add nosplash to grub and
> it won;t load any framebuffer. After spending about 5 hours trackign
> this down, becuase my hommade initrd versions werent working either,
> finally found the magic files (/etc/modules.d/modules-blacklist,
> /lib/modules/initrd...and a half dozen other files), found the
> incantation of dpkg-reconfig linux-image-`uname -r` to actually make
> the initrd and install it. where the heck is there even documentation
> on what dpkg-reconfig does for all important packages, or what files
> are used for what. oh, to change X stuff, no problem, change mystical
> undocumented X files, and run dpkg-reconfigure xorg. WTF WHERES THE
> DOCS!!!
> > 
> > ..and i still have more things i need to get working, like when i
> install the mythtv package and it doesn't come with mythtv-setup.WTF.
> > 
> > 
> > Gah!!!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2. REMOVING
> > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 08:38:53AM -0400, Dennis Ruzeski wrote:
> > > Hey Mark-- I can honestly say that you're the first credible
> source that I
> > > know that's had problems w/ Ubuntu. What were the major hurdles?
> > > 
> > > --Dennis
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 6/9/06, Mark Musone <mmusone at shatterit.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >the problem isn't the CD's, the problem is the stoopid distro,
> and geting
> > > >things to work
> > > >
> > > >I actually finally got it working (at about 3am)....but it
> wasn't fun :/
> > > >
> > > >-Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 07:26:03AM -0400, Cyber Source wrote:
> > > >> Mark Musone wrote:
> > > >> >Anybody want a couple of free ubuntu CD's??? the ones i have,
> i'm about
> > > >to
> > > >> >throw out the dang window!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Arghh!!! STOOPID STOOPID UBUNTU!! I GIVE UP!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >ok, i guess i'll go down my list of distributions. I think
> mandrake is
> > > >next
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Mark
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 04:39:27PM -0400, Jesse Jarzynka
> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>Mark Musone wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>...And I don't need to be downloading anything additional
> from the
> > > >net??
> > > >> >>>I'm
> > > >> >>>cautious because this is a non-networked machine, so I have
> no net
> > > >> >>>access.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>Thanks,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>Mark
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>Depends what you're doing. If you need to compile anything
> or need the
> > > >> >>kernel headers you will definitely need the internet. Ubuntu
> really
> > > >> >>doesn't work without broadband unless you just need a basic
> OS. They
> > > >> >>have the mentality of installing minimal and letting people
> add what
> > > >> >>they need later. I love it.
> > > >> >>--
> > > >> >>Jesse Jarzynka
> > > >> >>Cyber Source
> > > >> >>http;//www.jessejoe.com/
> > > >> >>http://www.thecybersource.com/
> > > >> >>
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> > > >> Why don't you bring your hard drive over to our shop, we can
> dump our
> > > >> current, fully tweaked Ubuntu Dapper release onto it and you
> can take it
> > > >> back, pop it in and you'll be all set. This way you won't have
> to worry
> > > >> about something missing without your internet connection etc.,
> and or
> > > >> your problem with the cd's (did you test these?) Wanting to go
> to a
> > > >> different distro because you have a problem with the cd's
> wouldn't be
> > > >> your wisest choice.
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