[nflug] Mame Distribution

Sat Jun 10 00:16:32 EDT 2006

Well I think your paradigm is backwards.  Server would have as LITTLE
AS POSSIBLE in it,  hence, no X, minimalistic to the max (only what you
need on a server, good mindset for security)

Desktop folks are the one's who want everything and the kitchen sink.

>From your troubles I take it you've never used a debian based distro
before.  Bummer.  Might benefit from taking a handful of chill pills (a
6 pack works best for me) and cruising the debian or ubuntu forums.

--- Mark Musone <mmusone at shatterit.com> wrote:

> 1. simply figuring out what version to user: ubuntu server or
> workstation...hrmm.wheres the list of software or a comparison of
> features...after installing server, thinking oh, well server should
> have _everything_. i install 'server'. reboot. Grub error 18. you've
> got to be kidding me. my new 300G drive. you've got to be kidding me,
> no /boot or even the kernel file at the beginnign of the disk?? how
> linux 101 is that? so after reinstalling 2 more times to get a /boot
> working correctly, I smile in blissful agony when the kernel starts
> booting up.
> 
> I sat there wondering why after the install and reboot i was sitting
> at a command line login prompt.
> Hrm..thats strange. Oh well, no biggie i'll login and start X.
> startx. xinit. X. WTF it didn't even install X ????????????
> bah. musta been a bad install on my part. let me try to find X
> somewhere..must not be in my path, sudo tcsh. tcsh sudo tcsh.WTF no
> tcsh!!! no gawk?! wtf is even on this install, 2 programs!!
> So after 4 additional installs thinking _something_ must be wrong
> because even command line programs nowadays require X libraries, and
> after spending 2 hours trying to see what the difference is between
> "server" and "workstation", I give up and start installing
> workstation. Yay! finally. I got my /boot _and_ an X server, who
> woulda thunk it!!
> 
> 
> 1. getting wireless to work (zd1211ib) ...typical kernel recompile.
> this was actually the easiest thing after 8 bazillion lines of
> non-intuitive and non documented steps:
> 
> take a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
> you've got to be kidding me..for compiling a simple kernel??? I'm
> suprised I also don't have to give up my first born son.
> 
> 2. _removing_ gdm. In the end, i'm running framebuffer and cannot be
> in X. hah! good luck. I turn off "gdm" in the
> Administration->Services tab. Seems simple enough. I turn off that
> service and X immediately dies. "Oh kool. it worked!!! I'm not in X!"
> Reboot-----> gdm and X starts. I give up and chmod -x the gdm file in
> /etc/init.d. now i get lovely complaints on bootup, but no X yay!!!
> :)
> 
> 3. removing vesafb from loading and instead loading up nvifiafb upon
> bootup. Hah! good luck! it's compiled right into initrd image. ubuntu
> has to have it's kool splashscreen. add nosplash to grub and it won;t
> load any framebuffer. After spending about 5 hours trackign this
> down, becuase my hommade initrd versions werent working either,
> finally found the magic files (/etc/modules.d/modules-blacklist,
> /lib/modules/initrd...and a half dozen other files), found the
> incantation of dpkg-reconfig linux-image-`uname -r` to actually make
> the initrd and install it. where the heck is there even documentation
> on what dpkg-reconfig does for all important packages, or what files
> are used for what. oh, to change X stuff, no problem, change mystical
> undocumented X files, and run dpkg-reconfigure xorg. WTF WHERES THE
> DOCS!!!
> 
> ..and i still have more things i need to get working, like when i
> install the mythtv package and it doesn't come with mythtv-setup.WTF.
> 
> 
> Gah!!!
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 2. REMOVING
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 08:38:53AM -0400, Dennis Ruzeski wrote:
> > Hey Mark-- I can honestly say that you're the first credible source
> that I
> > know that's had problems w/ Ubuntu. What were the major hurdles?
> > 
> > --Dennis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/9/06, Mark Musone <mmusone at shatterit.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >the problem isn't the CD's, the problem is the stoopid distro, and
> geting
> > >things to work
> > >
> > >I actually finally got it working (at about 3am)....but it wasn't
> fun :/
> > >
> > >-Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 07:26:03AM -0400, Cyber Source wrote:
> > >> Mark Musone wrote:
> > >> >Anybody want a couple of free ubuntu CD's??? the ones i have,
> i'm about
> > >to
> > >> >throw out the dang window!!!!!!!!!!
> > >> >
> > >> >Arghh!!! STOOPID STOOPID UBUNTU!! I GIVE UP!!!
> > >> >
> > >> >ok, i guess i'll go down my list of distributions. I think
> mandrake is
> > >next
> > >> >
> > >> >Mark
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 04:39:27PM -0400, Jesse Jarzynka wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Mark Musone wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>...And I don't need to be downloading anything additional
> from the
> > >net??
> > >> >>>I'm
> > >> >>>cautious because this is a non-networked machine, so I have
> no net
> > >> >>>access.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Thanks,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Mark
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>Depends what you're doing. If you need to compile anything or
> need the
> > >> >>kernel headers you will definitely need the internet. Ubuntu
> really
> > >> >>doesn't work without broadband unless you just need a basic
> OS. They
> > >> >>have the mentality of installing minimal and letting people
> add what
> > >> >>they need later. I love it.
> > >> >>--
> > >> >>Jesse Jarzynka
> > >> >>Cyber Source
> > >> >>http;//www.jessejoe.com/
> > >> >>http://www.thecybersource.com/
> > >> >>
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> > >> Why don't you bring your hard drive over to our shop, we can
> dump our
> > >> current, fully tweaked Ubuntu Dapper release onto it and you can
> take it
> > >> back, pop it in and you'll be all set. This way you won't have
> to worry
> > >> about something missing without your internet connection etc.,
> and or
> > >> your problem with the cd's (did you test these?) Wanting to go
> to a
> > >> different distro because you have a problem with the cd's
> wouldn't be
> > >> your wisest choice.
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