Verizon Fios (Fiber-to-the-Premises) Internet (Cheap??)
Timothy J. Finucane
speljamr at speljamr.com
Wed Jul 28 10:04:37 EDT 2004
This was true not too long ago. I also used different DNS servers for a
while. However, I have been using the Adelphia DNS servers again for the
past couple of months and I have not had the problem at all.
Tim
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 08:33, Robert Meyer wrote:
> The problem with the "page not available" errors was due to DNS, not the
> connection. If you change your DNS server to a NON-Adelphia server,
> performance will be WAY better.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Bob
> --- Advent Systems <adventsystems at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Tim,
> > Thanks for the leads. After running the tests a few times I was
> > averaging 1299 kbps/up and 351kbps/down. Adelphia must have improved
> > their speed over the last few years because at the above speeds my
> > connection "seems" as fast or faster then my adelphia connection was.
> > I agree with you that when my connection was working it was fast but my
> > problem was getting way too many "page not available" screens. I never
> > (well...) get that with the dsl.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Bob Randal
> > adventsystems at verizon.net
> >
> >
> > Timothy J. Finucane wrote:
> >
> > >Try http://www.broadbandreports.com/stest
> > >
> > >I get between 1.5 mbps and 2.5mbps. I've had it as high as 3 mbps. Your
> > >speed may vary depending on how many people are using it in your area,
> > >and sometimes time of day.
> > >
> > >DSL can be as fast as the 1.5mbps if you are very close to the
> > >origination point of the signal. The further you get from that point the
> > >slower your speed, so experience can very from one household to the
> > >next.
> > >
> > >On the flip side, Adelphia's network (and customer service) can be a
> > >real pain in the arse when using a DSL/Cable router. At least that is my
> > >experience anyway. But when it's working it's the best connection I've
> > >ever had.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 18:32, Advent Systems wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hi Tim,
> > >>Are there different "levels" of service available from Adelphia, and how
> > >>would we measure the actual performance of the service being delivered
> > >>to our computers by the different vendors? I tried adelphia for 12-16
> > >>months using there "standard offer" (about $70/mo.) and the dsl from
> > >>verzion I have now seems twice as fast. I know saying "twice" as fast
> > >>is meaningless, it's just that overall when trying to get stuff done it
> > >>seems with verizon dsl I'm done in half the time.(not to mention
> > >>$35.00/mo).
> > >>
> > >>Bob Randal
> > >>adventsystems at verizon.net
> > >>Timothy J. Finucane wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>DSL is available to me, and I have tried it from several companies,
> > >>>including Verizon. Unfortunately it does not even come close to the
> > >>>3mbps speed I get from Adelphia.
> > >>>
> > >>>Tim
> > >>>
> > >>>On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 18:13, Advent Systems wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Timothy J. Finucane wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>Good points, but I think the average user's needs are growing at a very
> > >>>>>fast pace. There is obviously a hug market for delivery of music, and I
> > >>>>>don't just mean kazza theft. I mean things like iTunes, which has
> > >>>>>exploded right out of the gate. Unless there are some tremendous
> > >>>>>developments in compression technology, these downloads are likely to
> > >>>>>remain fairly large. And music is something that is of interest to the
> > >>>>>average user. And the streaming video from the parts of the internet we
> > >>>>>need not mention already pushes the limits of the current bandwidth.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Also, I still can't quite classify Verizon's new offering as "Overkill"
> > >>>>>because the $35 package (the one most people will buy) is only 2-5 mbps.
> > >>>>>I currently get 3mbps on my Adelphia cable modem. That sounds pretty
> > >>>>>close to the same service. And the average user of broadband services is
> > >>>>>on cable, not DSL. Though I'm sure that is only because of the 3 mile
> > >>>>>technical limit with DSL.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>In addition, they are starting the roll out in Texas, and expecting more
> > >>>>>expansion after that. they are predicting 1 million homes tied to fiber
> > >>>>>by the end of the year. That's a small number compared to the number of
> > >>>>>homes in the US. By the time they get here, things could have clearly
> > >>>>>changed that will require larger bandwidth.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Tim
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 12:48, Ronald Maggio wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>In response to the following, you are correct about
> > >>>>>>progress/innovation, but my comment was about the average end user,
> > >>>>>>student and home/small business. Do we really need it? It is fine for
> > >>>>>>those that truly have a need of such resources. Now think a minute,
> > >>>>>>regardless of your computing skills or needs do you really think that
> > >>>>>>the average end user which is the gross marketed target really needs
> > >>>>>>all this and more.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Your speaking from where you see it, as your needs as a computer
> > >>>>>>professional might surpass the current available resources available
> > >>>>>>to you. The industry will produce progress/innovation to be marketed,
> > >>>>>>yet does anyone really think it is for the consumers, or is it
> > >>>>>>for corporate industry. People will always want the latest and the
> > >>>>>>greatest as long as they have money to burn, and corporations are
> > >>>>>>ready willing and able to exploit their egos. We all know that the
> > >>>>>>vast computers sold are targeted for end users to email, web browse,
> > >>>>>>gaming, and let us not forget the parts on the web that make the most
> > >>>>>>money! I need not mention.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>So in conclusion, my comment "fast enough & Overkill" are valid points
> > >>>>>>as long as the technology used as of now by end users can keep up
> > >>>>>>with the Internet, but as trends make todays technology out of date
> > >>>>>>the market will always have a guaranty of more revenue through the
> > >>>>>>pocketbooks of the consumers.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Ron Maggio
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "Fast Enough" will always be relative to current needs. As
> > >>>>>> more, and
> > >>>>>> higher quality, content feeds come online more bandwidth will
> > >>>>>> be needed.
> > >>>>>> I can still remember people telling me that 56k was all you
> > >>>>>> would ever
> > >>>>>> need. Then came streaming video, and to get a good quality
> > >>>>>> feed you
> > >>>>>> really needed to get broadband. "Fast Enough" assumes that
> > >>>>>> there will
> > >>>>>> not be any progress/innovation in multimedia formats or
> > >>>>>> content
> > >>>>>> distribution.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So, for the long term outlook it is hardly overkill. Is it
> > >>>>>> overkill to
> > >>>>>> have a 200GB hard drive? Maybe it is today, but in 2-3 more
> > >>>>>> years it
> > >>>>>> won't. We, as a society, are putting more data online
> > >>>>>> everyday, and with
> > >>>>>> that comes more need for bandwidth and storage.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Also, Verizon is talking about using the same feed to create
> > >>>>>> its own
> > >>>>>> cable network. This just might break the cable monopolies that
> > >>>>>> currently
> > >>>>>> exist in! each city. After all, your only choices right now
> > >>>>>> are satellite
> > >>>>>> or cable if you want more content than is on public airwaves.
> > >>>>>> This would
> > >>>>>> also drive the need for bandwidth.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The downside to this is that they are talking about making
> > >>>>>> access to the
> > >>>>>> fiber lines closed, unlike the current phone lines. They argue
> > >>>>>> that this
> > >>>>>> is required because the current cable companies have closed
> > >>>>>> access.
> > >>>>>> Personally, I would prefer it if BOTH the phone company and
> > >>>>>> cable
> > >>>>>> company were required to have open access. This would be
> > >>>>>> better for the
> > >>>>>> consumer in terms of competition and innovation. If the
> > >>>>>> cable/phone
> > >>>>>> companies have closed access they can then regulate what can
> > >>>>>> and what
> > >>>>>> cannot be put on the network, thus killing the end-toend
> > >>>>>> concept that
> > >>>>>> the internet was created on. Innovation would then be
> > >>>>>> regulated by those
> > >>>>>> companies as well. Anyone remember the time when AT&T
> > >>>>>> regulated what
> > >>>>>> could and what could not be attached to their phone lines?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Some o! ther alternatives to access may become available as
> > >>>>>> well, like
> > >>>>>> this one:
> > >>>>>>
> > http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2004/07/16/anik040716.html.
> > >>>>>> Granted, it's a bit more expensive, but that may change as
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>> companies put up similar satellites.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The more competition and innovation, the better.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tim
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 01:54, Ronald Maggio wrote:
> > >>>>>> > Over kill, unless your running a business big time and
> > >>>>>> really need the
> > >>>>>> > bandwidth and the speed it gives you, or are into
> > >>>>>> interactive gaming
> > >>>>>> > over the Internet in a big way!
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> > I have ADSL through Verizon at $34.95 a month, and its fast
> > >>>>>> enough for
> > >>>>>> > the average user. ie: Student, Home to mid size Business,
> > >>>>>> and so on.
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> > Ron
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>Tim,
> > >>>>Just to let you know, I have been waiting for broadband access in my
> > >>>>area for years (I'm 5 miles from my central office) but a few months ago
> > >>>>they installed new equipment where I was able to have dsl installed in
> > >>>>my home. I'm in lancaster and am not sure if It' a town-to-town thing
> > >>>>but it may be worth calling verizon up to see if it's now available in
> > >>>>your area.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Bob Randal
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>adventsystems at verizon.net
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
>
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