Job Available: PHP/MySQL Developer NEEDED!

[Joe Bielli]

Ok Mr. High Class,

I think that your rant is completely uncalled for.  I don't see anywhere
that I have insinuated that members of this list server are
unqualified.. 

I could really care LESS about what you may think about the 'food
chain', and I think most people will not agree with you in saying that
PHP coders aren't 'developers'.. Developer is defined (to me) by someone
who creates an application using whatever platform is available. I would
define those who use drag and drop components a "builder". 

<FLAME>
I, personally, think that your general attitude would make you
unqualified for (most) jobs anyhow, but maybe that's why you are an
"Unqualified Programmer / Analist", or maybe you just piss and sh*t on
the lowly 'php script kiddies / component assemblers' because they
aren't as highly elite as yourself.
</FLAME>

I posted the opportunity here because I know that members on the NFLUG
are some of the brightest people in our area.

You are talking to a person who actually ATTENDS the NFLUG meetings, so
I know that not everyone is interested in the position, and to be
honest, not everyone has what it takes, because coding is not their
game.. But I know there are those who DO and ARE interested. If you have
the impression that everyone on this list is of expert caliber in every
area, you are mistaken.

We are all here to learn, unless of course, you being the big 'expert'
in everything, maybe there is nothing more for you to learn here and you
should go elsewhere?

Also.. Your rant is kind of cute :) although nobody cares that the word
'developer' doesn't mean what it used to (for you).. is that because it
brings us lowly scripting coders up to your level "developer", which
makes you angry? Maybe you like to be alone on the top of the food
chain?

I was attempting to give someone an opportunity should they be
interested.. if you aren't interested, maybe you should sit back, take a
pill and think about why you even BOTHERED to come across as such an a$s
to begin with? There was nothing insulting about my email, unless, of
course, you are a real 'developer' like yourself


Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nflug at nflug.org [mailto:owner-nflug at nflug.org] On Behalf Of
WAYNE MELBROD
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:37 PM
To: nflug at nflug.org
Subject: Re: Job Available: PHP/MySQL Developer NEEDED!

Joe,

Your insinuation that anyone who is a member of this Linux list server
is unqualified for your job is insulting.  PHP & MYSQL?  You have got to
be kidding.

"Developing" today in high level languages such as Visual Basic, SQL
based, Power Builder,  ASP, etc. is relatively easy.  All of the heavy
lifting algorithms have been coded as objects called components and you
simply drag and drop them in or call them in from simple routines.
Then you wrap them in a little of your own code to initialize them at
the right moment or just customize their activity. This is the point of
these languages.  To hide the difficult stuff so non-technical / math
challenged individuals can create something useful without the expense
of hiring professionals.

Most of the labor with these languages revolves around learning
(memorizing) the proprietary commands and, once an application is
written, trying to keep it stable in a multiuser, multipurpose LAN
environment.

The users of these languages are referred to as 'Component Assemblers',
not programmers but you will never convince them of that. Today everyone
refers to themselves as a developer and the word has lost it's meaning.
An example of a 'developer' is the person(s) who wrote MYSQL,  not the
people who use it.  The food chain is as follows:   Developer  >
Programmer > Component Assembler > Script Kiddie > User

Working with the graphics design team?  You take their pictures and drop
them in the spot they want them in.  Then you might have to animate them
(if it isn't already prepackaged - see above) or have them perform
(flash, appear, disappear, rotate, etc) when some activity occurs.
Children are developing sophisticated web sites today which includes my
very bright 14 year old nephew. 

The point is ............. the  job ain't all that.  If you think the
people who subscribe to this server are unqualified, how did you come to
the conclusion they would still be able to recognize someone who is?

Why don't you advertise this great job 'opportunity' on the list server
that the qualified people subscribe to and leave us poor Linux boobs
alone?   
You are right.   You need to go back to school.

Sincerely,
Wayne Melbrod
Unqualified Programmer/Analyst
Central Technology Division
Integrated Deposit Systems Department
M&T Bank





>>> jbielli at netsos.com 08/07/02 11:09AM >>>
Hello Folks,

I'm going to be leaving Computer SOS to move on to greener pastures and
get my schooling finished, Friday is my last day.
I will, however, continue to maintain and administer our linux servers,
although remotely (no linux-only gurus need apply, there is no position
available).

I have given myself the daunting task of finding myself a replacement in
the web development field.. 
Qualified candidates MUST know PHP/MYSQL, be ready and willing to share
code samples, linux skills are a plus, however the job is mostly
application development / web design.
Candidates also must be comfortable coding large applications, picking
up others work where they left off (mine ?), meeting with the rest of
the web team, and working closely with graphic designers.

Salary is decent, and this is a nice atmosphere to work in. If you KNOW
someone who may be interested, have them get in contact with me ASAP via
email or by voice.
Decision will be made by Friday.

Please email resume's to jbielli at netsos.com   ..Thanks!
Voice calls, ask for Joe @ 635-0086

Note: this does not change the nflug meetings, I will still be here to
host them at our office on third Sundays (except August, of course)..

Joe Bielli
Software Development
Computer SOS, Inc.
1505 Cleveland Drive
Cheektowaga, NY 14225
E://jbielli@netsos.com 
P://716.635.0086
F://716.634.7692