DO IT IN THE ROAD! And some actual Group topic ideas...

[Dennis J. Eberl]

JJ Neff wrote:

> > To NFLUG members:
> >
> > I am seeking someone to act as contact person and take over the
> > duties of maintaining our mailing list. Please realize, to list the NFLUG
> > Mailing List as a "contact" is inappropriate for two reasons: (1) there is
> > no delegated responsible party for answering a post, and (2) it
> > provides public access to our private mailing list, which is, shall I say,
> > n  o  t      v  e  r  y      s  m  a  r  t.  : ]
> >
> > If you think I am in love with being the contact person, you are quite miss-
> > taken. It is a pain in the neck to transcribe form e-mail as it is, and I
> > will
> > not get involved in wrestling with anyone over who gets to reply to someone
> > seeking a "contact" at nflug at nflug.org. Someone else can do it. I nominate
> > James Simmons. Otherwise, you all may let inquiries fall through the
> > cracks -- and they probably will. As of May 15th, I am going sailing.
> >
> > I will  bring this matter and related matters up in the meeting. What I do,
> > I do in the road. If the changed listing was not Michael's attempt to fix an
> > unreachable e-mail address (dje at adelphia.net)  but was the work of one of our
> > members, my only comment is that taking it upon oneself to pose as a
> > spokesman for the group and surreptitiously change our LUG listing is
> > presumptuous, arrogant, and cowardly in the extreme. I hope that is not
> > what happened. If no one else will speak up on this matter, we have a group
> > that is going to hell in a handcart. Remember what happened to BLUG97.
> > Why do you think it failed, James? And, Neff, you can hang your remark
> > "78 messages, most from a guy who can't decide if he's a flightless water
> > fowl or not,  in 2 days !! ekes" in your ear. Since James is off to San Jose
> > at
> > the end of the semester, why don't you volunteer to be our contact person
> > at jjneff at praxair.com? Your snotty remark was out of line. The only
> > thing stupider than the straw man you created is counting 78 posts. Eeeks,
> > indeed!
> >
> > Let the flames begin . . .
> >
> > WE NEED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT OUR SHIT, PEOPLE. GET ON IT.
> >
> > Dennis Eberl
>
> I have made it very clear that I now receive any nflug mail at
> jjneff at yahoo.com, and I am more than happy to respond to people's inquiries
> about nflug.  By the by, has anyone ever played Bullshit bingo, you check off
> BS "power" words when they are used during a meeting or lecture.  "Straw man"
> is always included, congratulations Dennis:-)  Oh and in case you didn't know,
> Yahoo mail puts a big # at the top of the inbox telling ya' the # of new
> messages so you don't have to count 'em (ain't technology grand?!)  Any commemt
> I made re a penguin alter-ego was certainly in jest, but if you are so
> sensitive about it I will not make any references to you or your e-mails,
> please POST-on and don't be surprised by the number of people who have figured
> out how to send dje at pcom to /dev/null (ever wonder why the number of responses
> to your posts seems so small?)
>
> So far you have managed to insult everyone, (presumptuous, arrogant, and
> cowardly in the extreme) oh and we are also lazy by implication Oh yeah we are
> also well-meaning but insensitive.  Well I for one am sorry to have
> disappointed you so.  Can you write an e-mail without attacking another person?
>  A sincere question, me I hoped to see more explanations of why Debian is so
> well liked, maybe get to the bottom of the qmail vs. sendmail mystery and maybe
> even one day learn about the "lost transparent background".
>
> But I suppose we should take up a lot more space telling people how much they
> suck...
>
> Now for something completely different.  This Sunday will be the third Sunday I
> believe.  Bob and James are planning on continuing a discussion of Firewall and
> routing stuff and I was wondering how many people would be interested in
> starting a learning group.  We would each have to have a copy of "Running
> Linux", then set up a schedule of how many chapters to read and discuss between
> meetings.  As we run into snags while reading we could check up on each other
> via the list.  Anyone interested?  I picture not much reading during the
> meetings but more of a review of what worked and what didn't.  I for one am
> still having trouble getting command lines to run automatically in a Deb
> startup... and I would love t play a game once in a while with others of like
> minded individuals.
>
> Please feel free to contribute ideas.  We are not all waiting for your posts to
> jump down your throat...
>
> JJN
>
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John,

I'm sorry you are upset. Good luck with your learning group.

Dennis